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dear colleagues and friends
welcome to our panel today that brings
together leaders from climate science
forest conservation and public health to
discuss how we can work together
across disciplines and sectors to
address these challenges
holistically and systemically my name is

paulette frank
and i have the privilege to serve as
johnson johnson's worldwide vice
of environmental health safety and
we are incredibly proud to return to
climate week 2020 as a gold sponsor
i had the honor of speaking to this
community last year
when johnson johnson hosted a panel on
the interrelationship between
women's health and planetary health
we examined the disproportionate impact
that climate change
environmental degradation and pollution

have on women
and other marginalized populations while
also highlighting the leading role that
are playing in the fight against climate
this past year we have all been
understandably consumed with the kovid
19 pandemic
i'd like to begin by extending my
heartfelt sympathies
and condolences to those in the audience
and around the world
who have lost loved ones faced illness
and experienced unexpected hardship as a

of covid19
i also know that there is a deep worry
amongst those of us
concerned with the state of our climate
that the pandemic may diminish
or delay the need for urgent climate
now the decade of action is admittedly
too well an interesting start
but while some may see the circumstances
of the past nine months
as a setback we at johnson and johnson
see it as an inspiration

to propel our climate action further
we understand that the health and
well-being of people
and the planet are fundamentally linked
as difficult and painful as it has been
the pandemic has taught us
several invaluable lessons about our
collective vulnerability
and responsibility to each other and to
the one planet
that we all call home more than that
this past year has shown us our capacity
for bravery

and shared action in response to a
global threat to the health of humanity
at johnson and johnson
we have seen that bravery firsthand in
the frontline healthcare workers
the doctors nurses caregivers
and emergency responders who have been
treating patients
often to the point of exhaustion we have
seen that bravery in our own on-site
our essential employees who are working
to manufacture
and deliver the products and

breakthrough interventions
that protect us and will ultimately
defeat this virus
we have seen that bravery in the
patients and their loved ones
and indeed in entire societies facing
down this difficult disease
with the hope not just of survival but
of renewal
inspired by all of them johnson johnson
is accelerating our climate action
with a new set of commitments which i am
so pleased to share with you today
we began setting public climate goals 20

years ago
and our new climate commitments are our
boldest and most
ambitious yet building on our strong
by 2030 we aim to achieve carbon
in our in our own operations and in
order to achieve this goal
we will need to exceed what the science
tells us is necessary
to help keep our planet below 1.5
degrees celsius of temperature rise
to help meet this goal we are
aggressively accelerating our

target for 100 renewable electricity
from 2050 to 2025.
in addition we are committing to work
with our suppliers
to reduce our upstream carbon footprint
by 20
by 2030 this work will deliver nearly
two and a half
times the carbon footprint reduction
compared to our own
operations we are not alone in stepping
up to the challenge
of shaping a more resilient future
during the pandemic many of us have

stepped up in our own individual ways
taking on new roles wearing new hats
in our professional and personal lives a
testament to what we are capable of
when faced with the urgency and scale of
a global public health threat
for me in addition to my day job at
johnson johnson
at the onset of the pandemic i took on
an assignment to coordinate the
and manufacture of millions of bottles
of hand sanitizer
at several of our facilities around the

when 2020 started i would never have
imagined that a new product launch would
be amongst my most proud accomplishments
not only of the year but of my career
and to the lifelong job of being a mom
during quarantine i added the roles of
tech support cafeteria supervisor and
ppe procurement officer but with these
new hats
also came some gems
my oldest son became our in-house

and afternoon coffee breaks became
to share what each of us was working on
for the day
being environmentally conscious himself
he shared his worries
of how his metal straw would be no match
for all the single-use plastics making a
and how he was more determined than ever
to stick with his beef free diet
so when johnson johnson accelerates its
renewable electricity goal
by 25 years i'm not just proud to share
this news with you
i'm so proud to tell my son that instead

of being 45 with a family of his own
will be running our sights on 100
renewable electricity
before he's out of college of course the
challenge ahead
is daunting in the past two decades
alone humanity has
emitted more carbon dioxide into the
than the mass of all living matter
currently on on earth
all people all plants and even all
bacteria fungi and viruses
yet just as the world has accelerated

its release of greenhouse gas emissions
we can also accelerate its reduction and
the impacts of climate change are no
longer decades away
they are happening now from the
devastating forest fires in the western
the amazon siberia yes siberia
and australia to the increases in the
intensity and number of droughts
floods and hurricanes happening
throughout the world
in terms of human health and new
infectious diseases

we have also seen an acceleration over
the past two decades
not only are we still battling the hiv
which began in 1981 but since 2000
we have seen outbreaks of sars swine flu
mers ebola zika and of course covid19
the threat of deforestation exacerbates
both climate change
and the emergence of new infectious
diseases the world's forests
serve many critical ecosystem functions

including being one of the world's great
carbon sinks
and protecting biodiversity the great
forests of the world provide livelihoods
for the people
and local communities who in turn
safeguard them
and trees are critical to our personal
health and well-being in ways big and
from being a buffer between us and new
infectious diseases
to the oxygen we breathe to the relief
of shade
on a sunny day for the joy of swinging
from a branch

protecting forests payback multiple
to human and environmental health and
well-being and to ensure we protect
these benefits for us today
and for future generations
conservationists may have to start
thinking of themselves as public health
and public health advocates may need to
think of themselves as environmental
again the kovid 19 pandemic has taught
us all
that we can wear more than one hat that
we can take on new roles
and get new jobs done even ones we never

imagined doing before
we have a saying at j j it's actually a
quote from the founder of our
pharmaceutical business
paul janssen he would say patients are
these three simple words give you an
immediate sense of the urgency
and what's at stake for people waiting
for solutions
that could change the trajectory of
their health
for someone like me who hasn't met a
tree she hasn't loved
the forests are waiting they are waiting

and recording our actions each year
a new ring recording among many other
things the quality
of air that we breathe and the carbon
intensity of our atmosphere
what will their rings show this year
what will they show next
from this year forth every year will
either reflect a year of action
or inaction at johnson johnson
we believe in the power of partnership
it's time to throw
more hats in the ring to convene more

and to mobilize resources across the
environmental medical
and public health communities to care
for the planet
like our health depends on it because it
now that sounds worthy of the decade of
with that i would now like to turn it
over to my colleague phil dahlin
to open our panel that will examine in
greater detail
systemic approaches and pathways for
action across
climate science forest conservation and
public health

paulette thank you so much for your
inspiring opening remarks
i'm glad that you include some personal
touches in your remarks because
i'm convinced that the more that we
personalize these issues
and make them real to people in their
everyday lives that
it's more likely that we'll enlist
others to join in and we can
amplify and accelerate progress
as paulette mentioned i'm phil dolan i'm

the global director of sustainability
for johnson johnson
and i have the great privilege of
moderating today's panel
normally we'd all be in a room in the
hub in new york city but today i'm
speaking to you from my home outside of
philadelphia pennsylvania
today we will be discussing the
intertwined issues of climate change
deforestation and pandemics and how we
can start to break down silos
and address these issues in a more
systemic and holistic way
so that we can improve outcomes in all

these areas with a unified effort
i have an amazing panel with me today
and i will briefly introduce
each of them and ask them to tell the
audience a little bit about themselves
their organizations and their roles
virtual meetings do have some advantages
because our panelists are joining us
from various locations across the us and
and we have all reduced our carbon
footprints by joining from home
however i do miss the delicious organic
snacks at the hub so
maybe next year we're going to move in

the order that i will ask the initial
panel questions so
i would like to start with carrie
cesario from wwf who's joining us today
from the greater washington dc area so
kerry would you please introduce
yeah thanks phil so as phil said i'm
cary cesario i
am the senior vice president for forests
at wwf
us and
if you don't know wwf by our ubiquitous

panda logo
i can tell you that we are one of the
largest conservation organizations in
the world
we operate in nearly 100 countries
and when the organization was founded
nearly 60 years ago
it was with a focus on wildlife and wild
but there's a real recognition that
uh that nature has so many contributions
to humans and
our organization has evolved along with
the rest of the conservation
movement or sector and we're

we're completely committed to supporting
those contributions and and really
maintaining and enhancing them and that
is a fundamental component of our
um and a big part of my role uh now at
my career at wwf has evolved as well
over nearly 20 years
when i first started at wwf it was with
a focus of
working with companies to use their
supply chains
to help to drive improvements in the

management of the world's
forests and that's actually when i first
got to meet paulette
today i lead a team that works on an
of ways to maintain the health
and intactness of forests around the
many different interventions but very
importantly also
considering the role that forests play
mitigating climate change and
most recently my team is now part of an

interdepartmental team
that is working on the role of
conservation in
addressing global pandemics and i'm
really excited to tell you a little bit
more about that
and be part of this panel so thank you
excellent thank you carrie
next i'd like to introduce madeline
thompson from the welcome trust
who is joining us from the greater
london area
madeline would you please introduce
thank you philip i'm i'm delighted i'm
actually heading back
back to new york boros so i'm going to
be there during the

week which is very exciting um and
i've been living there actually for the
last 17 years during this time i led the
health work
at columbia university's international
research institute
for climate and society and was the
director of the who collaborating center
on uh malaria early warning systems and
uh infectious diseases and currently
i'm leading the climate work at the uk's
welcome trust
as a kind of role reversal leading the

health work in a climate institute and
now leading
the climate work in a health institute
and we're also i'm the interim director
uh a program a priority area called our
planet our health
for those of you who are not familiar
with the trust let me just give you
a very quick background the trust was
in 1936 by a gentleman called sir henry
welcome he was a medical entrepreneur
and collector and a philanthropist and
he left his entire

wealth to the trust
how we work today reflects the breadth
of his interests and his conviction that
health can be improved
when research generates tests and
investigates new ideas so welcome
really exists to improve health for
by helping great ideas to thrive now the
welcome trust is politically and
independent it's one of the largest
global foundations
and it dispenses about a billion pounds
a year in support of its global mission

it's in the midst of a major strategy
and science review
and i encourage you to look out for the
fruits of this
uh process in the latter half of october
so i'll leave you there
thank you madeline and finally i would
like to introduce
our bernstein from harvard university
who's joining us from the greater boston
so ari would you please do the honors
thanks phil and thanks for the
opportunity to be with you

and it's an honor to be on a panel with
carrie and madeline and
talk about issues that i know we all
think a lot about
in the middle of climate week and this
year's climate week is
arguably more important than ever as it
occurs in the middle of an
arguably unprecedented global pandemic
has very much called into question
whether climate action
can keep a pace when people are focused
on something else
i'm the interim director of the center

for climate health in the global
environment at the harvard chan school
of public health and i'm a
pediatrician at boston children's
hospital and so
i spend half my time taking care of
people and half my time taking care of
the planet
and i really see how these two things go
quite well and and recognize the real
tension that i just
presented between the focus on climate
and the focus on a pandemic
and and realize pretty quickly that that

many of the solutions that are in play
for climate
are exactly the solutions we need to
prevent pandemics and when we get into
you know arguably messier problems
stickier problems of global
environmental change
the solution spaces are are reassuring
that we can actually
make a big difference uh in many ways
with the same set of solutions
and that critically the solutions
benefit the folks who have been hit

in so many ways by environmental threats
and i look forward to having the chance
to talk more about those during the
sounds good and i want to thank you all
for taking time out to join this panel
madeline too a special thanks to you for
dialing in late evening in the uk
especially as i know you're preparing to
do something that many of us
have not really thought about since very
early this year which is to get on a
plane so
we wish you very safe and healthy

um and so i want to
move to the panel questions and and
carrie i'll start with you
um and you alluded to this but over the
past few years we've seen wwf evolved to
focus on a more inclusive definition of
health and
you know one that involves animal
ecosystem and human health and
we've really seen that evolution come
forward in your recent
yeah um document that was called an

urgent call to protect people in nature
in which wwf calls for humanity to fix
their relationship with nature
which is
a good call in my opinion um i'm
wondering what
wwf has had to do in terms of
changes whether it's internal or
structural changes or new partnerships
new ways of communicating in order to
more systematically especially at the
intersection of climate deforestation

and health and
you know if there's any lessons learned
along the way from that evolution
you could share those with us we
appreciate that as well
great thanks phil uh that question uh
our series of questions really
i think sets sets me up to talk about a
couple things i really wanted uh to
raise and
and one is you know just this question
or kind of the concept of the role of
and what organizations like wwf can do
to address global pandemics

as i alluded to in my intro wwf is
increasingly working on what i'd call
solutions so i mentioned the role of
forest i mean if we protect forests that
helps to address climate change
obviously the role of nature in
supporting human well-being
and we've also engaged over past decades
on health and environment projects
sometimes with j and j
so there's some history there but i have

to say
that coveted 19 certainly brought that
into sharp focus for our organization
as it did for many others and we were
able to mobilize quickly
to do an assessment of the science
around the root causes
of zoonotic diseases so zoonotic
diseases being
diseases that transfer from animals to
humans cova-19 being
being one of those and what we found was
that there were three
direct drivers of change that result in

the greatest
risk of emerging infectious disease
in terms of exposure and and
and they are land use change so the
degradation of nature or loss of nature
such as
we see in deforestation the
expansion and intensification of
agriculture and animal production
and the sale and consumption of
wild animals so if there's any question
about does conservation have a role to

play in preventing
pandemics i think the answer is yes um
but last year and this this is so
pre-coveted we got some advice
we were hosting a science symposium
our our fuller uh science for nature
symposium and it was on the topic of
healthy planet healthy people and one of
the experts said to us
don't try to be health experts and
by that he meant don't try to replicate
competencies that are
readily available in the health sector

and so i think we really took that on
board but at the same time
we are experts on forests and on
and deforestation is the dominant driver
across all zoonotic uh pathogen
types uh and also noting the role of
climate change and amplifying impacts or
serving as a driver itself in some cases
i would say essentially we are health
experts just just a different kind of
health expert and and maybe picking up
on paulette's point that
you know conservationists need to see

themselves as public health advocates
uh and and vice versa so as a
conservation organization we need to
focus on the root causes this is at the
you know the intersection of humans and
the natural world
but that's also where we have
opportunity to have the biggest bang for
the buck so
um if we can address disease at the
point of before the point of spillover
for example on deforestation frontiers
we also have an opportunity
to help to address climate change to
conserve biodiversity so there's there's

a myriad a myriad of
of co-benefits um in in doing that
um so in the wake of kovid we launched a
coordinated global effort to engage
stakeholders around the world
to raise awareness and to advocate for
action to address global pandemics
um but wwf had already been
so so we're going to be scaling around
these drivers but you know interestingly
a couple years ago
we began a more concerted effort to look
at these intersections uh specifically
of forests

and health and i think what we well i
think people intuitively understand that
forests are important for human health
we don't necessarily see that
understanding in how decisions are made
or and how we approach problem solving i
think in the experience of many people
and certainly mine working on forest
conservation around the world
in many of the countries we work in if
you're working on deforestation or
environmental degradation
you're working with the department of
natural resources or the ministry of
and then you know health issues are

dealt with by the ministry of health and
and then there's the ministry of finance
that kind of comes in and sort of
quashes everyone's you know plans and
hopes and dreams anyway but
but the but the i mean i i'm joking a
little bit but the reality is that
um both planning and then i think the
funding to support those efforts is
completely separate
so wwf wanted to contribute uh
to addressing this problem and as a you
know as a science based organization
i think we wanted to help to bring the
relevant and available evidence to bear

in decision making and as an
organization that believes
truly believes in the power of
partnerships we wanted to expand
uh the the alliances that we're involved
in forage alliances
with with the health sector and so last
year i was really pleased that we were
able to launch a new initiative with
johnson johnson our forest and health
which includes a research component to
look at
the intersection sort of draw the
connect draw out the connections between
forests and health issues so not just

infectious disease
but non-communicable diseases impacts of
you know air and water pollution
physical risk nutrition
try to you know compile and understand
uh those connections and
also how forest conservation
interventions might help to
positively impact on those issues the
project also has
a sort of effort to learn um
you know kind of to do to learn and then
sort of put these ideas into practice
and so we're working in sabo malaysia

and that's in collaboration with
ecohealth alliance and i really want to
a big shout out to ecohealth alliance
you know a partner also of johnson
johnson just for the amazing
foundational work they've done and
certainly for their effort in
malaysia so in saba this is a place
that's been decimated
uh by deforestation for palm oil
production it's also a place where
diseases like malaria are linked to
forest loss um and
and in fact uh saab is considered ground

for a novel zoonotic malaria that's
uh that transmits from monkeys after
after forest loss
so we're working to understand how much
degradation can forests withstand before
uh you you trigger a potential cascade
of negative and
potentially irreversible uh consequences
both for
for nature and people and then working
with local business and governments to
to use that information and make better

land use planning decisions so it's
really exciting so i just i think to
summarize i would say that
conservationists certainly have a role
to play at these intersections
uh helping to bring the message uh and
advocate for addressing
root causes but i think the messenger
matters and it really has to be both
done both
with and and in some cases probably
trusted voices on on the health sector
side and i think
there's opportunity to bring that

message in a salient way to decision
makers and i think in this
very unique time also an opportunity uh
to bring that message to
individuals to make that really
meaningful uh for people and the broader
and finally just to say that uh i think
it's hard
to do things that we're not used to
doing we have different vocabularies
um different you know societies
different clubs we all go to and that
sort of thing
um and so i think anytime we can
showcase uh partnerships that are
working or sort of
show this is how you know we might try

to do things differently
we need to hold up those examples uh and
use them as as cases
so i'll stop there thanks
thank you carrie next i'd like to
turn to madeline uh madeline you alluded
to this in your intro but i think most
know the welcome trust for their work in
supporting better health through
investments in
health products and treatments and
advancing clinical research and public
health interventions

especially in the areas of drug
resistant infections vaccines
and mental health and you know but i
don't think a whole lot of people know
you know the trust created this unique
initiative our planet our health and
to me this is groundbreaking work for a
health-oriented funding
organization and it's highly unusual in
my experience for health organizations
to invest in these environmental issues
can you elaborate a little bit more
about the initiative and touch on
why you think this is an unusual

approach uh or unique approach and
you know do you see opportunities going
forward to bring funders together
to co-fund attempts to address climate
deforestation and pandemic prevention in
a in a collective manner
well that's a lot of questions thank you
and and yes of course the trust is well
known for it particularly for its
infectious disease work and actually
it's its visibility has grown enormously
of course through its investments in
covid response and in therapeutics and

developing collaborative platforms to
responding to the current pandemic
but um the trust has been thinking about
broader uh drivers of health outcomes
for some times now and
at least for 10 years on the
intersection of environment health and
this eventually became formulated as our
planetary health in 2015
with a specific focus on cities food
systems and climate
but not necessarily all working together

so some initiatives around food some
initiatives on
uh cities and uh climate has really come
into those
uh this program uh through co-benefits
of um improved food systems better
health if you like for individuals and
better health for the planet uh and on
city design
urban uh infrastructure etc which is
for people and also uh has a lower
carbon footprint so the our planetary

health has been actually one of the main
uh substantial uh funders in this space
for a few years now our funding envelope
was 75 million pounds
and uh invested in a number of major
research consortium
and what was really prioritized there
was not only top end science and
really good scientific teams with a
global consortium
but that connection to policy and that
willingness to really invest time
in engaging policy makers in the

of the questions that were going to be
addressed and ensuring that
those pathways would be available for
research update once the research
had been developed um another example of
our investments under oppo has been the
lancet countdown
which i think is very widely uh known
as the means of tracking uh
outcomes of what's happening in the
climate system what's happening in our
our response to this and this has been
an amazing
immensely valuable tool for policy

makers to understand sort of where we
in the current trajectory
we're currently coming to the end of our
planet our health five-year program
and welcome is now coming to the end
also of a major strategic
and scientific review
which will result in a very significant
shift in the vision and structure of the
um while keeping discovery science at
its core and that's really what welcome
uh really uh well known for

high-end discovery science across a
broad range of uh
health-related activities uh it's now
going to focus its collective efforts
more specifically on three major global
health challenges
and this includes infectious disease
which of course is it's
what it is very familiar with mental
health which is an increasingly
important global health challenge and
climate change
and that um uh is i think going to be a
major opportunity
for all of us uh going forward um

so why has this been so difficult and so
long to put together if you're like a
major health fund investing and thinking
uh uh investing in the environment side
of things i think there's a number of
reasons for that
mainly it's really kind of difficult um
from a federal you know from a
government level if you look at how
science is funded it's funded usually
through very
defined disciplines in the us we have
takes care of the health side we have

nsf which does an awful lot of
innovative modeling on the environment
etc but it's hard
to get the different agencies to really
work together and build programs they
have done it occasionally
they do do certain activities but as
core business it's not really
what they do and
also health to be perfectly honest has
been slow to engage with the climate
uh from the um wh really first mentioned
climate change

at the leadership level in 2008 when
margaret chan who was then the director
general of uh who
gave a speech at bethesda nih and uh
likened climate change to one of the
five horsemen
of the uh of the fifth as the fifth
horseman of the apocalypse
uh not one of the five horsemen so um
you know
it's taken uh a while for the health
community to really
uh appreciate the
health significance of climate change
and there's a long history of that i'm

not going to go into that
in particular but working across
disciplines is difficult we have
silos we have uh different cultures etc
which kerry has already alluded to and
but also what she mentioned which i
think is absolutely critical
is that health we know is often led by
the health sector
in terms of political discussions but
actually contributed by all of the other
in terms of how you improve health so
you improve health through

better nutrition good agriculture good
transport good housing good education
all of these um areas contribute to
public health and so there's a kind of
uh challenge when the health sector is
really responsible uh for
the hospitals the vaccinations they sort
of fairly directed
public health activities and getting
that to happen it really has to happen

at the government level it has to happen
in cities it has to happen across
lots of different silo organizations
that can easily be siloed
so i think what is a great thing now
though is that the health sector is
increasingly interested in climate and
you may be aware
the uk's government and other
governments around the world are
committed the uk is committed to
reaching net zero by 2050
which really means transformation of the

energy system transformation of the
transport system
housing uh behavior etc and
as part of this the uk's natural
national health service
which is you know for the uk population
it's our national treasure it's beloved
the public it has a net zero plan
as well which it has the vision and it
is mobilizing
uh resources and planning around so
these are complicated things to do
but you can see now that the health

community is really taking some
in this space and i think it's a really
development that we can think about so
welcome of course has big opportunity
because of its independence
it has resources it has political
it ha it can create its own timelines
its own mandates it can
work with different partners that maybe
other organizations might find harder
to do and so i think it has the
opportunity if you like to break down

some of these silos
but it won't deliver its vision without
working with partners as well so i think
that's really
um important and i think they're also if
we look at what's happened in the
in climate change and health they have
predominantly been around co-benefits
which uh really have had a focus on
um developing countries where obviously
decarbonisation is incredibly important
for the global impact and

where changes in human behavior
and in our energy system etc is easier
if you like at least conceptually and we
have the resources
to do it it's much harder uh i think to
think about adaptation and resilience
and the type of programs that are going
to be really important in developing and
middle income countries
where uh they're not currently major
uh to climate emissions uh adaptation
and resilience are difficult concepts we
don't really know what the end point is

um we have it's going to be a harder
research agenda i think to develop in
in uh going forward so i think there's
some just naturally complicated
things if you like combined with these
silo issues etc
but um and that is in addition
uh you've got all of the issues around
data sharing across sectors
um which is really important capacity
amongst the research community and the
practitioner community to work together
which i think is really still very

and to engage policymakers from
sectors and i think kerry's point about
if you want to talk health at the
political level
you need to find the health allies who
can represent
uh your contribution and that's really
really important but
equally it's important to get health
into other sexual decision-making
and find the language that will help um
other organizations to do that
so um

so you know sort of what are the
mechanisms that now well
we've we've seen already initiatives
from uh
others that are seeking to break down
some of these barriers where funders
have come together
and the bellman forum is i think a great
example of this where you've got
funders from different uh science
funders from different countries
coming together with some foundations
with different interests
um trying to put together a pool of
where the climate funder could fund the

climate component of a program
the health fund or another one the those
interested in funding
uh deforestation etc will put their
resources together
and as a result the collective pot
allows people to cross mandates
and work together it is complicated and
i think the challenge really has been
for the scientists to engage in program
programs like that is that it's not the
same as just
putting your brilliant idea together and

asking for the money to do it you're
having to consider
various political issues and which
countries you need to engage etc so
there are attempts to do this but
there's a lot of room
i think for improvement and um you know
we could think about
uh stronger health funders joining the
development forum or working in
partnership or looking at how they've
developed the platform but creating a
platform where health outcomes
are the dominant area of interest but
bring in uh funders from other areas so
i think there's a lot of different ways

uh going forward
and um yeah i sort of i'll be very
interested actually in following
up on this discussion later on uh but i
don't think we'll have time to do that
in this meeting
well those are very exciting
developments so thank you madeline
um and the final panel question goes to
ari um
you know ari you've been a key voice for
quite some time now
uh raising warnings that you know if we
as a global society fail to recognize
the relationships between the

environment and humans
and that if we fail to care for nature
we'll face
uh significant consequences to our
you know you've raised the the red flag
around the current and potential impacts
to human health from the climate change
and now with coven 19 you know that's
brought the connections between nature
and humans back to the forefront
you know such as how deforestation is
leading to new emerging infectious
diseases and how climate change
and air pollution is making covid19

outcomes worse
and when we spoke recently you mentioned
you felt like this year you've been
doing speech after speech and
engagement after engagement and i'm
wondering what your thoughts are on how
we transition
from speaking about these issues and
their interconnectedness which is
important but into more unified action
and then if we have time you know you
have a very
varied background as a physician an
educator and a scientist

and i'm curious what your thoughts are
on what the academic
scientific and healthcare communities
can do to better help policymakers
address these
tangled issues like the ones we're
discussing today
well phil i give you credit for asking
questions that are
indicative and and requiring brief
responses so i'm going to
try and get all that in in minimal time
possible but
i think in part phil you know what you
ask is really answered already by

kerry madeline you know i i have been at
this a long time you know
i was the part of the first center in
the world
based at a medical school that focused
on the health effects of global
environmental change that was started in
the 90s
it was support at the time it was
actually a un and who collaborating
and but it was a byproduct of the rio
earth summit
and at rio which was arguably one of the
most important
environmental meetings in history where
he had pretty much every head of state

the people who founded our center had a
session there which is where is health
at rio
because everyone was talking about
climate change is a problem for polar
bears and biodiversity loss is a tragedy
as if all these problems didn't matter
to people and
and so we've come a long way and you see
it in wwf
i mean wwf support the report that kerry
mentioned was outstanding i mean
here's a conservation organization that
published a very compelling concise
summary of the evidence
directly linking conservation objectives

with health outcomes that matter to
people around the world in their own
lives i mean everybody can see
coronavirus right now
and you think about the program that
madeleine is in charge of at welcome
trust the hour plan and our health
to me it was like i mean i've i've lost
almost all my hair and i i'm mostly gray
in what's left
but i have grown um had grown bewildered
major foundations which had enormous
funding streams to climate change
and enormous funding streams to health
care and they refuse to do anything

and and madeleine's point about the
united states this is acute because nih
you know there's there's a less than a
fraction of a percent
of nih funding directed at climate
change and health and that's being
generous and nsf is not mandated to look
at health
so the federal government wasn't
sponsoring the private foundations were
more or less awol
on climate change and health until
relatively recently but we've seen this
trajectory and i think the best and
shining example of that is what's
happened at welcome trust

and so we see this but we also see it in
the eu
20 of eu stimulus funding is going into
green projects right this is not by
accident this is by
decades of work to get the understanding
that our health is intimately connected
to the health of nature
into the hands of policymakers but
obviously we have a long way to go
and and the main thing i will say in
that regard
is the more we can make it personal the
more we can make it matter to people's

lives where they are right now
we've started too much from the
expectation that everyone is going to
care about a forest halfway around the
or that carbon or water as a sort of
out-of-body ethereal entity is going to
have intrinsic value to people where
they're living now right
and and what's you know if there is a
silver lining from covet and
arguably that the heart claim to make it
makes clear that if we're going to make
progress on things like covert or
climate or conservation we have to

recognize that
the crisis of the moment is where
people's minds are at and it could be a
it could be them losing their job it
could be displacement it could be 13
other things
and if we can't connect the goals of
climate change
and conservation to those ends we will
be displaced all the time but the
reality is that we can and that's why
talking about health is so critical if
you can you know
no matter how rich you are and how
privileged you are in the world

you are still at risk from coronavirus
and you're still at risk from climate
change and that makes health a
transformational communication piece and
i think kerry
alluded to the reality that it's not
just the message that's the health
message that's so critical and
importantly an empowering message we
way the heck too much about doing gloom
and we need to talk
way the heck more about what we stand to
gain particularly for the most
but the messenger as carrick pointed out
is critical
and and so we increasingly realize from

chronovirus how critical local voices
that people trust many people close to
and then you ask phil about you know
what people in academic and scientific
and healthcare can do
well we can do that we can be a part of
that research we can be part of the
i'm constantly working with my
colleagues to figure out how to ask
that clarify the paths from global
environmental change to health
we wind up in analysis paralysis
economics want to drill down into

something into incredible nuance
that has you know obvious relevance to
science and obvious relevance
to progress in that sense but is not
going to help us
solve the challenges we face and so we
have internal work to do for sure
but we also need to show and this is
where it gets into like the policy maker
pieces specifically asking the context
of policymakers
that our salvation is cheap and we we're
trying to do this so
a couple weeks ago i would argue a
unprecedented collaboration of

conservationists economists
disease ecologists public health folks
and social scientists got together and
said can we do an assessment
of what it would cost to prevent
pandemics so we looked at what it would
take to produce deforestation
uh in the places where the seasons
emerged i mean the things that were in
the wdf report
um are here you know what would it take
to address the wildlife trade risks
what would it take to address doing
better surveillance
around spillover and where it might
emerge and when you

you know do that that economics you
realize it's about 20 to 30 billion
dollars a year which sounds like a whole
bunch of money until you realize we
spent 10 trillion dollars on this one
disease and as paul paulette's remarks
made clear
we've got a whole slew of these hiv
is about a 50 50 billion dollar cost
to this world alone so
we have science as an opportunity for
to to really bring these issues down to

to talk directly about the personal
health effects to talk directly about
the economic value
that's being lost because we failed to
and the great news about this is that
when you think about these actions which
i like to call primary prevention at a
global scale right these are
we talk about prior prevention of
infections with vaccines well this is
private prevention of pandemics
that when you start doing these things
like preventing deforestation the value
proposition is enormous because of
course the forests don't just

um you know chopping them down doesn't
just promote emergence
it releases carbon in many parts of the
world it results in
is a consequence of fires that kill tens
of thousands sometimes hundreds of
thousands of people
critical for water supplies and so when
you can use science to clarify
what is on the table and that you take
that knowledge and you put it into the
that people already care about and make
it personal
and and and compelling then we see
what happens uh in society it becomes a

deal we simply can't afford
to refuse and that's what i'm hoping
that we're going to see
and that's why i'm delighted my things
like climate we have embraced this
kind of idea i mean the fact that jnj is
sponsoring an event that's focused on a
broader lens than simply carbon
it's critical because we absolutely need
to connect for instance
the huge sums of money that are flowing
into global health right now
as a relative function of what's going
into conservation
they're about 2 billion spent annually

on deforestation prevention in the world
that's probably being generous and that
is a fraction
of what one organization the global fund
to combat
you know hiv tb malaria gets in its
current spending cycle which is about 10
billion dollars
and we have to get the folks trying to
prevent and treat
hiv tb malaria in the places where these
these emerge
working on conservation we have
paradigms to do that
and i'm hopeful that as we connect these
dots and make it more personal we can
the interest in global health and human

health into the conservation
efforts that of course are essential to
protecting nature
which is essential to protecting
thank you all right wow that's a lot to
to digest um i'm mindful of the time
and so we did receive a few questions
uh for the panel through the climate
week website
uh in the interest of time we've done
our best to group them and and

pick some key themes so i'll see what we
have time for but
you know one of the things we didn't
discuss yet here today on this
panel is the role of the private sector
and um you know i know carrie you guys
do a lot of work
the private sector on conservation and
climate initiatives and and so i just
wanted to ask each of you
uh just briefly um you know
uh again with connections between
climate uh
deforestation health outcomes being
identified and raised how do you see the

role of the private sector
shifting to address these issues
so maybe start with kerry and then we
can open it
sure that's a great question well i i
we've already heard uh and i've talked
about obviously what j
j is doing in terms of the intersections
of or connecting deforestation
climate and human health outcomes um
so i think you know we're obviously
really excited to
be part of that conversation i am

um well i'll mention i had there's a
there's a favorite quote i have um
from desmond tutu which is about um
you know there comes a point where um
you need to stop pulling people out of
the river
and go up river and find out um you know
why they're falling in
and i was i was reflecting on that
because i've observed that
more companies are moving away from
uh completely separate environmental and

goals uh so trying to you know it's a
bit of getting upstream on that
um and it reminds me of a couple years
ago when companies started asking
um how might what we're doing on forest
conservation helped to address our
climate footprint and i feel like now
we've we've opened the conversation
around how might what
um we need to do what we're going to do
on halting deforestation or forest
how does that benefit my customers my
you know my my suppliers so i think we

need to embrace that integration
and we have a moment now also i think uh
to really consider that in the context
issues of equity and justice so i think
as we seek to align uh what we're trying
to do as a society
and and and the private sector as part
of that i think for companies there's an
opportunity to build
a much broader constituency within
for uh environmental sustainability
and that's going to open up new
opportunities and ultimately

enable companies to be more effective in
delivering on the goals they've set in
the realm of sustainable development
also i think a theme that's come up in
this panel is just
sort of who wields influence and who can
bring certain messages
and there are spaces within which the
private sector wields influence that
ngos or scientists really um are you
know don't
don't have um as much opportunity to do
so so i think there's gonna be
opportunity for the private sector to
step up
more in this space i think we're still

at the beginning of seeing
this shift but certainly this event and
sort of what we're seeing at climate
it's all really exciting and i think
we're you know so to be off really
excited to consider
uh kind of the you know the the
relationships we've had in the new
relationships we can forge working
across sectors in that regard
so we have a minute or two for another
response area or madeleine
do you want to add anything to that
i i just wanted to do a quick plug

because we have climate week here in new
uh but uh in the uk we of course have
cop 26 which was delayed
uh from this november to next year and
one of the things i think we're seeing
and i think it's very
significant is that uh the private
sector moves faster
than government and so uh really pushing
on the private sector to push government
um is also really important and of
course the public have a big role to
play in scrutinizing what different
companies are doing

and making it clear whether or not they
approve of how those companies
are evolving and and where they're
putting their efforts and that it's not
um you know sort of green washing
activities but they're really serious
about the type of work
that they're doing to improve the
environment and improve our health
so i think public and the private sector
combined and
can also then drive government uh to be
more effective
okay i had one last thought quick remark

if i
if i may you know one of the most
myths around climate change or
conservation actions
is that they're deadly to the economy uh
and there's no you know the voice that
is most important to
debasing that is coming from the private
sector so i think it is critical not
that we see companies like j j making
bold commitments to decarbonize
and not just saying them but doing them
but that education

of the employees as to why this is
critical to the success of the business
and how it is a growth opportunity for
and in fact and this is you know one of
the sad realities of the current stance
in the united states on paris is that as
if if countries pull out of
international frameworks
on green technologies and advancing
decarbonization they're at a competitive
and so we've got to make sure that the
most trusted voices
to that message which are the leaders in

the private sector are being very clear
with the work
the people who work in those companies
now the good news is of course is that
people who are my students right now
they won't work for companies that don't
pay attention to this and so there's
also a talent issue for companies that
if they're not paying attention to this
they're going to miss out on the best
and the brightest so there's all these
reasons but it's just critical
that we do away with the nonsense of you
know acting on climate as somehow being
bad for
jobs bad for economic growth bad for the

private sector
because it's being used as a way to
so we are at time and i want to thank
you all so much for joining us today and
sharing with us your
tremendously helpful insights and
inspiration and on behalf of johnson
johnson i want to share my thanks to all
of taking the time today to
to see and hear our panel discussion i
hope that it was enlightening and
that it triggers many additional
thoughts and discussions
and so to close our event today i would

like to introduce sal
urine the chief executive for forum for
the future
who like madeline is also joining us
from the greater london area
i would say that sally is quite the
aficionado and
champion of systems thinking and
approaches and
but i'm afraid that might be an
so sally is now going to give us her
closing thoughts on how
all of us might better address complex
and tangled issues
like the ones we've discussed today so

sally please proceed
thank you very much for the opportunity
to share some closing remarks today
and i want to start with a quote from
daniela meadows who was one of the early
pioneers of systems thinking
and she famously remarked this was 20
years ago
the world has a complex interconnected
finite ecological
social psychological economic system but

we treat it as though it were not
as if it were divisible separate simple
and infinite
and our persistent intractable global
problems arise from this mismatch
and 20 years after she made this
statement at the start of this new
that statement was still pretty much
but less so now kovid19
has just raised our public consciousness
about just how interconnected our world

a world where planetary health equals
human health equals economic health
and with this greater understanding of
the interconnectivity of the world
around us
comes an opportunity to deliberately and
start to understand how can we drive
systemic change for sustainability
this is really important because my view
is that nothing short of systemic change
will drive the ambition of the sdgs and
will help us
avoid the worst impacts of our climate
emergency our public health crisis

but what do we mean by systemic change
it's a world that we hear a lot about at
the moment
systemic change happens when the goals
of a system shift
where new ways of working emerge where
new relationships emerge
and where connections are formed in
different ways
usually systemic change is a result of
big macro level pressures from
demographic change climate change
biodiversity change
beginning to impact day-to-day life when
these pressures
reach the day-to-day and they're

combined with individuals willing to act
to do something differently
then systems begin to change and in
particular when innovations start to
bubble up from the niche of our systems
coupled with that willingness to change
coupled with that pressure bearing down
on their day-to-day
systems begin to shift and when we think
about renewable energy that's what's
happening right now the energy ship
system is shifting from underneath our
eyes we think about the
rapid shift we're now seeing from fossil
fuel dependency to renewables

covid is changing every system around us
with usually very profoundly negative
it's changing our health system our
finance system the very way in which you
operate as communities
but out of this moment of intense
discontinuity because everything is
there's an opportunity to think about
how do we reconfigure these systems
how do we use all of this change to
pivot systems towards sustainable
and change the goals of the system and

the word goal
is really important we often hear the
systems are broken the food system is
broken to take that case in point
the food system isn't broken it's
working pretty well to the goals of the
current system which is
cheap food produced in a mass production
in a way that doesn't really bear not
environmental issues
doesn't really look at social issues
it's working pretty well to the goals of
the current system so our systems aren't

what we need to do is to redefine those
so with this moment of huge
discontinuity we can really think about
how do we change the goals of the system
that we rely on
and in order to do that we need to
accept the interdependency of the goals
of the system
so when we think about the economy we
now know that a healthy economy is
reliant on a healthy population
we know that a healthy climate system is
reliant on healthy
ecosystems so driving systemic change

starts with
redefining the goals of the system we
then now need to design for that
systemic change
and i'd like to offer 3ds as a way of
understanding how we design for systemic
the first is diagnosed take a moment to
understand the connections in the system
that you're focused on
where are those interconnectivities
within the system and outside of the
this is where systems maps can be really
really important
the second d decide where to act

use that understanding of the
interconnections to pinpoint those
leverage points or those areas to act
that if you to focus on them you drive
positive change not only in the system
that you're focused on
but in the broader systems that are
and then thirdly we need to design for
transformational change
so change that is not just incremental
but change that's catalytic so if we
think about the intersection of the
forest and the finance system
we know that a really powerful leverage
point there is new financial instruments

and things like forest backed bonds are
catalytic because they not only
provide income sources into indigenous
they help secure the forest and they can
even help improve biodiversity
so we need to design for catalytic
change and then change that
so often we conceive innovations we put
them out to the market and we wonder why
actually those innovations haven't
scaled we need to think about what's the
design of the enabling environment
around that innovation
what policy do we need what financial

mechanisms do we need
so when we think about health
innovations what are the behavioral
design design outputs that we need to
consider at the start
so that's how we can design for systemic
it's also important to remember we need
new skills
so not only do we need to be better at
understanding the connections in the
world around us
we also need to understand different
time scales we need to
think about designing for change in the
short and the longer term

we need to test our assumptions what's
going to be true to enable
my catalytic change outcomes to come to
and finally we need to learn to work
better with both activating voices so
those voices that want to create change
and those resisting
forces there's a great saying which i've
really experienced in my career
the closer you get to shifting a system
the more it pushes back at you so
understanding what's pushing back at you
and working with those
resisting forces becomes really

and finally going back to paulette's
opening remarks
we all need to wear more than one hat
designing for systemic change means
understanding different perspectives
understanding that we can only see one
part of the system from our viewpoint
so how can we move around the system and
engage in those different perspectives
so driving systemic change in many ways
has never actually been more possible
given all this disruption around us but

i'd like you to leave you with a thought
it's never been more important
at forum for the future we've been
tracking the trajectories that we
are observing coming through this crisis
and we're seeing
multiple different versions of our
future unfold in front of us
the trajectory that we want to pay the
most attention to
is a transform trajectory that is a
trajectory where we deliver the
sustainable development goals
and i'd like to leave you with a thought
that the future isn't something that
happens to us
the future is something that we can

create so what we all do
no matter what role we're in in the next
six to 18 months
has never been more critical so it's
time to drive systemic change for
and it's time to create the future that
we want thank you very much

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