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Watch at: 00:00 / 00:00:20[Music]Watch at: 00:20 / 00:40Watch at: 00:40 / 01:00well morning 1 we are really happy thatWatch at: 01:00 / 01:20Watch at: 01:20 / 01:40you can accompany us today for thisWatch at: 01:40 / 02:00Watch at: 02:00 / 02:20panel discussion on the launch a gamingWatch at: 02:20 / 02:40Watch at: 02:40 / 03:00project so to set up the climate gameWatch at: 03:00 / 03:20Watch at: 03:20 / 03:40rules first of all it is a special dayWatch at: 03:40 / 04:00Watch at: 04:00 / 04:20to do this it is the World EnvironmentWatch at: 04:20 / 04:40Watch at: 04:40 / 05:00Day and the theme of this year is timeWatch at: 05:00 / 05:20Watch at: 05:20 / 05:40for natureWatch at: 05:40 / 06:00indeed it is time for nature and just incase nature conservation also happens tobe one of the core areas of the game onproject but back to today's event wewould like to welcome all of ourpanelists as well as all the attendantswho became interested in this onlineWatch at: 06:00 / 06:20discussion also welcome to the projectpartnership who made it possible thanksto all for being here so why are we herethe game on project you might have had avery preliminary glimpse at itwe started circulating a couple ofvideos that have been floating aroundTwitter tic toc YouTube FacebookWatch at: 06:20 / 06:40influencers and narratives from severalcountries helped us create them thanks alot for that because they helped usforeshadow the game mount project so weare here for itgame on and what is the game on projectexactly it is initiative of a consortiumof 10 partners to activate the EuropeanWatch at: 06:40 / 07:00and global youth to react to theexistential climate change to theexistential threat climate change sensefor the future of all of us we havetried to will represent a wide territoryin order to activate these youth the 10project partners come from 8 Central andEastern European countries obviously theWatch at: 07:00 / 07:20project wouldn't have been possiblewithout the help of mechanismthe development education and awarenessrates in funding scheme the gaminpartnership firmly believes in theenergized strong will of youngergenerationsfor what purpose exactly to achieve theurgent and systemic changes that areWatch at: 07:20 / 07:40needed to own all the challenges broughtby climate change so the project isfocused on activating these young energyall across the region and the globe sonow the question comes how we will do itgaming or better or that through agamification approach game on will bringWatch at: 07:40 / 08:00to the table several products andactivities to name just a few of them docatching challenges board gameswilderness CaRMS museum exhibitionstheatre play some viola up etc is longand what will all these products andactivities aim to do they will mainlytackle three core areas that areWatch at: 08:00 / 08:20strongly related to climate changebiodiversity conservation adaptation andmitigation and climate justice and theproducts will tackle the three coreareas with the aim of raising awarenesson the problems of and the solutions toclimate changea further goal obviously is to push forWatch at: 08:20 / 08:40a massive mobilization of people youngand hopefully also a little bit olderlet's say to demand for and make happenthat changes we need this is the climatechange the climate game for our survivalwe have to accept the challenge and weWatch at: 08:40 / 09:00must overcome it so welcome everyone tothe gamin project and we we pass tokitty thank you so much if there isready to share herciarán we are going to watch the videothat i just mentioned which some of youWatch at: 09:00 / 09:20already participated in right yeah let'swatch ithowever don't have soundyouWatch at: 09:20 / 09:40youWatch at: 09:40 / 10:00[Music][Applause]Watch at: 10:00 / 10:20[Music]Watch at: 10:20 / 10:40[Music]Watch at: 10:40 / 11:00[Applause][Music]Watch at: 11:00 / 11:20Watch at: 11:20 / 11:40thank you for all who participated inWatch at: 11:40 / 12:00the video I want to introduce you butjust a little bit because yeah we onlyhave one of the half hours for thiswhole conversation and we are quite afew of us so the way we're gonna do itis doing a bit of StatisticsWatch at: 12:00 / 12:20so show me your hand if you work for oneof the organizations that areparticipating in the projectyeah welcome now raise your hand if youare someone who is invited by one of theorganizationsWatch at: 12:20 / 12:40so now I'm going to tell you the namesof the countries that are present onthis call and what I want to ask you isthat if I say our country and you toyourself and say hi in your own languageso who do we have from Bulgaria CzechWatch at: 12:40 / 13:00[Music]Republic no better partner Germanyhi that's me good mom al assad's HungaryWatch at: 13:00 / 13:20you know but Cabana see our stock we gotLatvia logged in and lit Wanya labaslabas Havas Romania what have youattitude are and Slovakia our telegramWatch at: 13:20 / 13:40so beautiful diversity we created soquickly so we are we are here to discussthose questions that we've seen in thevideo and to start brainstorming aboutWatch at: 13:40 / 14:00what if it's all a game and what if weare the ones who are creating the ruleswhat if we can just take a turn towardsa more sustainable planet on this veryspecial very environmentally in 2020 sowe are going to divide into two sectionsWatch at: 14:00 / 14:20so in the first 30 minutes we gonna havea coach and Adriana and Eustace Paulineand Petco and then in the second healthwe gonna talk to Chris Yogi's chibi andvictory I your muggle I'm so sorry IWatch at: 14:20 / 14:40used your family name the whole time somugger from Romania and victory in thesecond session and then in the end at11:15 we all come back together toanswer the audience questions so if youare watching us on Facebook which if I'mWatch at: 14:40 / 15:00right there are already 76 peoplewatching us on Facebook so hi there onFacebookif you got any questions down thecomment section you can you can put themand I make sure that they will be asWatch at: 15:00 / 15:20right in time so letlet's jump into the sections the onlything I try to do is to yeah maybe it'sbetter this way the screen okay so goodWatch at: 15:20 / 15:40that you are here and I want to ask youhow did you feel watching this videoseeing those questionsWatch at: 15:40 / 16:00youwell can assault something yeah I thinkthe first remark is yes it's reallydifficult to answer some of them even Ifeel I know some answers but then youneed to raise a hand very quicklyWatch at: 16:00 / 16:19it's then you thought it's car orplastic it's so whatever so it's reallyinteresting it but actually both of thesuggestions are not so sustainable soit's really interesting to pick onewhich is more sustainable because of ittoo bad thinks it's quite difficultsometimes especially for me it was yeahWatch at: 16:19 / 16:40I can I can add to that perhaps I meanwe didn't know the solutions and we werenot supposed to look them up beforehandso it's really interesting to decidespontaneously what we personally thinkwould be better from an environmentalperspective and I for example there wasWatch at: 16:40 / 17:00one question about whether to useplastic bags or paper bag so it is moresustainable and I was like plastic ofcourse not and I brought him a paper bagobviously and in fact it turns out thatpaper bags are less are less carbonprint heavier than plastic bags in factand but as you just said just as I thinkWatch at: 17:00 / 17:20me personally I prefer using fabric bagsand we didn't know you know what kind ofplastic bag whether it's light heavy alight weight or a heavy weight and soyeah was really interestingI could add about the banks because Iwas thinking of this of this choice andWatch at: 17:20 / 17:40because of course it's making certainchoices is very complicated because whenyou are thinking of sustainable behaviorwe need to take into account manydifferent factors and for example thischoice of plastic of paper bag well nowWatch at: 17:40 / 18:00we know that the production of a plasticbag has a lot of carbon footprint andthe production of the paper bag howeverif we think in the context of wastewhich were these bags will end up soonlater the choices maybe not so certainthe media or because we know that theWatch at: 18:00 / 18:20plastic bag will decompose much longerthan a paper bag so so this choice isnot so certain but if this bag isrecycled then again not dumped in alandfill then again the choice is not soclear so there are so many aspects toWatch at: 18:20 / 18:40take into account that it's actuallyvery difficult to say which choice is islike more sustainable or or which choiceis more climate-friendly if we talkingthe context of this game on project yeahexactly and I think also after havingWatch at: 18:40 / 19:00watched the video now I don't think thatthe main message of it was to look atwho know who's got the right answer andwho didn't you saw that all theresponses deferred all the time and Iwould say that all of us our supportersare fighting against the climate crisisand yet we didn't know all the answersand I think that's maybe also my keyWatch at: 19:00 / 19:20takeaway of this that maybe we asindividuals are not always equipped withthe right answers but that's what wehave scientists for and maybe to mesometimes at some point it's also thatit's really easy for our decision-makersto kind of shift the responsibility tothe individual you know all thisWatch at: 19:20 / 19:40narrative of if only you ate less meatand use your bike a bit more often thenthe whole crisis could be solved andthat's just simply not the case and Ithink it's a bit unfair to see howsometimes our decision-makers shifttheir responsibilities that are and hardWatch at: 19:40 / 20:00decisions inconvenient decisions reallyand shift them towards the individualand transfer them to us because at somepoint there's some hard decisions thatare just not we're just won't sufficefor individual decisions and we need bigsolutions at some point so I thinksometimes that's also a bit unfair toalways say this and especially now whereWatch at: 20:00 / 20:20we always say that you know we are inthis world where we talking about nowthe world after the pandemic as if youknow as if wejust sitting there and just wait for theworld after the pandemic to start butit's being designed right nowand we can all take part in that so IWatch at: 20:20 / 20:40think it's a bit ridiculous to alwaystalk about the world after the pandemicyeah just because it is being designedright now and we're supposed to just sitthere and wait yeah I completely agreeand for me also this video on the onehand it's really brought intoperspective that that when you combineall these individual decisions togetheryou can make an impact but on the otherWatch at: 20:40 / 21:00hand I started thinking about how Ithink quite often we can fall into thismental trap of thinking that oh if Istop using straws or if I just used aneco bag or something or whatever yeahthat I've done my part and it's all andWatch at: 21:00 / 21:20it's all fine and I think often oftenthe kind of conversation and the wholefocus is tilted towards these yeah let'ssay let's say the the straws there arethe culprit of all the environmentaldamage that is happening and it kind ofWatch at: 21:20 / 21:40shifts the attention from the from thebig questions you know it's like likehow will we as a society keep onproducing energy for instance you knowbecause that's that is the that is themain question you know so so it's it'sboth things like we as individuals needto need to start thinking about ourimpact but but also as a society and andWatch at: 21:40 / 22:00demand that from from the decisionmakers because sometimes sometimes I geta little annoyed when I see in the mediayou know when people are just discussingor on social media just discussing theplastic straws or something and then andthen my friends stop using them and theythink yeah I now AM eco problems andWatch at: 22:00 / 22:20that's it yeah and then but then theythen they book the third holiday in youknow somebody brought and they and theyfly by plane like five times a yearbecause it's cheap so mm-hmmthat's also what's happening in thestores right I mean just you know byWatch at: 22:20 / 22:40abandoning plastic bags the wholeproblem of food production and fairtrade it's a one pieceit's what we perhaps would call symbolicpolitics you know there's so much moreto it but but don't you be careful don'tyou think that the demand from peopleputs a push on on the government'sWatch at: 22:40 / 23:00shoulders so that they have to changepolicies based on popular demand but thequestion is what kind of policies firstwe have to and how first we have to facethe truth and because even now we do notface the facts and processes what ishappening now we have environmentalWatch at: 23:00 / 23:20policies for decades now countriesthousands of environmental policiesthroughout the globe but despite theseincreasing advanced environmentalpolicies the burden on the environmenthas been increased and not thepopulation population growth is not theprimary cause of this but overWatch at: 23:20 / 23:40consumption in the developed countriesaccording to the Oxfam study the richest10% of our planet is responsible half ofthe fossil fuel gas emissions and wirethe poorer half of the earth more thanmouthway point five billion people is justresponsible for the ten percent of theWatch at: 23:40 / 24:00emissions even in the last 20 years thepopulation of Africa doubled theecological footprint of Africa is almoststayed the same and there is both a bigpromise of environmental policies thatwe can decouple because of a growth fromenvironmental problem that was theWatch at: 24:00 / 24:20promise they promised us that we can goeven greener and you can decouple itfrom environmental burden but it did notwork it doesn't work you can havespecific examples from decoupling dividethe burden and economic growth but thereWatch at: 24:20 / 24:40was a very specific small areas and weshould not forget that we are not justtalking about environmental problemsthere are social programs and alsoeconomic problems and we have to linkthose ones because development policiesand even we have a lot of moreLockman policies putting a lot moreWatch at: 24:40 / 25:00money into development in development inthe developing countries meantimeinequalities have reached very highlevel across the continents across thecountries and also within countries thatgreatest growth and even when we havesmall results in poverty reduction weWatch at: 25:00 / 25:20have often playing just with the speck Ithink we lost himjust okay what I like of course Weberpossibility to put this as a game or putWatch at: 25:20 / 25:40these in more cultural and social thingsis important because I think is it'sreally really nice to have thesedifferent perspectives and what can welearn for is sustainability think Ithink it's more easier to adapt toWatch at: 25:40 / 26:00different conditions in a future as wellso I've yeah decisions for ourselves isnot making a huge effort on the earthscale but what we learn today we canreally use in the future conditionsWatch at: 26:00 / 26:20because it will be different I'm sureit's it's really really we need to thinkabout what we are the place to game onit's good to start but but if a climateis taking a little bit of a challenge ofall these other rules now and we need todo also play as a earth shows us to playWatch at: 26:20 / 26:40so I think that this game gamificationis one of our ways I think as a cultureI really like starting of our meetingwith the Sangha which is really you haveit and yeah that's it like it's in inthe video as well so it's some someWatch at: 26:40 / 27:00message is really interestingwhat's lies beneath we still need tounwrap it[Music]I think what the video beautifullyshowed is that it's not about blamingand shaming each other and you know allthis you know you did this wrong butWatch at: 27:00 / 27:20that rights because there's I mean allof us I don't know I'm a vegetarian butI might do something else that isharming the environment and I think justhaving or acknowledging that there needsto be commitment in the first step to todo something about it and this doesn'tonly mean reducing the meat in your dietor using less plastics but to me it alsoWatch at: 27:20 / 27:40means learning how to organizeinitiatives and protests and petitionsand writing to you decision-makers andthings like that nothing that's yeahsomething we all could do and justrecognize that we could do it and stopblaming each other for individualdecisions and another approach thatWatch at: 27:40 / 28:00comes to me super nice is the love fornature like so many of us living incities are losing that connection tonature and I think just getting moreconnected brings us a new perspectiveWatch at: 28:00 / 28:20which which encourages us to to protectit right because they basically whatwhat we all want is to still have treesto give us shade and to still have airto breath how how the love for nature isWatch at: 28:20 / 28:40connected to sustainability in youropinion I think it's a it's a kind oftwo-way two-way thing when what happenswhen people remove themselves fromnature too much and don't have thatWatch at: 28:40 / 29:00experience in direct contact the firstthing is that you can't you can't admiresomething that you don't know and thenyou can't have a motivation to kind ofprotect protect what you don't know buton the other hand what would I see in myWatch at: 29:00 / 29:20work is that is thatpeople in the city who don't go out muchdon't go don't spend too much time innature on the or don't spend prolongedperiods of time in nature and repeatrepetitivelymaybe in the same area they think theystill think that climate change issomewhere really far away especiallyWatch at: 29:20 / 29:40like people in Slovakia often if theyjust you know if they just commute tothe office in their car and then spendspending their whole day in the officewith the air conditioning on and andthen maybe over the weekends they justhave a barbeque in their garden theydon't see that climate change is alreadyhappening here but but because from theWatch at: 29:40 / 30:00title of my work I spend a lot of timein the field and I can see and mycolleagues we can see already theeffects of climate change on theecosystems in Slovakia that the forestsare drying out that is really it'sbecoming very difficult to to restoresome of the parts of the forest becauseWatch at: 30:00 / 30:20the seedlings just don't make it throughthe summer that would not happen 15years ago you know because because therewas still moisture and water in the inthe ground but now it's not people inthe south the farmers they're reallystruggling and and we work them with wework with them as well so I always tellWatch at: 30:20 / 30:40people who want a bit skeptical aboutclimate change and where there is such abig deal and maybe we're just we're justmaking it a bigger deal than than it isI always say well go go to go to theSouth lucky and we'll go talk to thefarmers there and nobody is a climatechange denier there because because theyreally struggle now they really struggleWatch at: 30:40 / 31:00to to make the yields every year and toand to cope with with the with the withthe droughts and with the extremes ofthe weather so it's already happeninghere not just somewhere far away inAustralia or you know in the in theArctic so people should spend more timeoutside and should go out and shouldWatch at: 31:00 / 31:20really see it with their own eyes Ithink Audriannatotally sorry ok I totally agree withyou because because we understand thatthat theythe nature of people to to to believe toWatch at: 31:20 / 31:40the processes what they actually seewith their eyes and and it's thesituation here in Latvia that peopledon't believe to climate change becauseit's difficult to see these changes justhere and we know that the glaciers areWatch at: 31:40 / 32:00melting but but if we don't see thisprocess is here then it seems likesomewhere far away and it's notconnected to us but I also think it'sthe fact that you Adrian mentioned aboutbeing in a city and tent going intonature that this also effects thisfeeling that everything is fine and andWatch at: 32:00 / 32:20no no climate change is going on andanother thing I think that just goingout and just seeing trees it doesn'thelp you have to connect the I don'tknow the processes in the nature to theclimate change or to be able to connectWatch at: 32:20 / 32:39to understand these processes so it'salso the work of explanation here veryimportant I also like to confirm and tomostly agree with what what has beensaid and it's on one end it's it's aWatch at: 32:39 / 33:00real challenge on one hand you have thepeople who love nature more easily toexplain about the climate changechallenges and the impact on the naturebut on the other hand many of thosewould like to take the picture to makethe peak the picture and to to take itWatch at: 33:00 / 33:20as their own their house and again thatthe connection somehow breaks with thefeeling and and and the real challengeis is how to live with the nature andhow you live sustainably and to inter toWatch at: 33:20 / 33:39interconnect imaged it's easy to saydon't eat meat but at the same timethe nature the nature really depends onsustainable sustainable grazing and andWatch at: 33:39 / 34:00all local breeds and things like thatand really to to find and to recognizeall these interlinks it's it's also ourrole to really to explain to to talk topeople and to to develop their theirknowledge and and awareness about all ofWatch at: 34:00 / 34:20this and I want to make reference to theprevious to the previous questionconcerning the what is the right answerthe I think the more more important isto have informative more diverseWatch at: 34:20 / 34:40opportunities of choices if you don'thave if you don't have choices you usewhat you haveif you don't have information you useanything which comes first or steeper oryeah and that's that's why we need toWatch at: 34:40 / 35:00have this various various products whichgive you enough information how itsproduced and how how it it reallycontribute to to the solutions and andto sustainability and yeah that's that'sWatch at: 35:00 / 35:20briefly what what I can say okay yeswith regard to I was really sad matterbut I think on the positive side of itsthat at least the dialogue has begunWatch at: 35:20 / 35:40Christine hungry and as I see alsoglobally and in Europe debate whether tocontinue where we left off or try totake this as an opportunity to move onin a positive more positive directionand it must be seen that a virus is notan exclusive only health issue but thisWatch at: 35:40 / 36:00is part of a larger problemsuch as closely linked with the declineof natural areas globalizationincreasing with resource use that we aretaking more and more away from thenature and this is not what we only sayWatch at: 36:00 / 36:20but many analysts scientificorganizations and even before the commonvirus nearly even 1 million deaths peryear were linked to animal to humanviruses and I think the virus pointedout several other things such as thefact that that we are what we areWatch at: 36:20 / 36:40outliningare the visions the predictions theopportunities the dangers the Tres forthe globe or for for for for the peoplethose are real and need to be cared ofand those really could happen even inmaterials about sustained development inthe 90s even in the EU sustainableWatch at: 36:40 / 37:00strategyit was repeatedly underlined thatglobalization the resources wasmultiplying the dangers of viruses andthen somehow left out even from thesematerials but we can see now thatIndiana became reality and so we reallyhave to look out for those predictionsWatch at: 37:00 / 37:20even if those are negative and I thinkit's not about if we believe in climatechange or not now yesmost of us believe in it and see it as aproblem but the threat is not soimmediate as the virus and what we couldsee that we are capable of big changesWatch at: 37:20 / 37:40if it's needed it's just unfortunatethat every time that only when thethreat was just not at our doorsdoorstep but in the house so I hope weare not waiting when climate change willbe really in the house and we shouldlearn from that and start acting thisWatch at: 37:40 / 38:00weather you just talked about reminds meof something that my really good friendsays it was an environmentalist and shealways kind of compares society to atree that's we should behave more liketreesbecause they'd also don't blowinfinitely they grow and then they reachWatch at: 38:00 / 38:20a certain size and and that's where theyhave their balance and they don'tcontinue growing infinitely so this issome some sort of challenge for societyI think that we we shouldn't take it asgranted that that we just grow and takemore and also as individuals I thinkWatch at: 38:20 / 38:40really that mmmwe started at least my generation andmaybe the generation before me westarted to feel really entitled at leastin the in the West entitled to so manythings that we think belong to us or weWatch at: 38:40 / 39:00should have and this is a criticism alsoon myself you know that maybe noteveryone in the world should travel thewhole world you know and maybe maybe wedon't need the five cars in the garageand and the big house you know so it'sit's really I think I think we need usWatch at: 39:00 / 39:20individuals to to really go inside andreally have a think about it becausewe're probably maybe in even fromchildhood thoughts that that we areentitled to all these things and then wegrow up thinking that we we really areyou know and we just continue the pathWatch at: 39:20 / 39:40concerning the issue of the virus it'snot the worst the worst the worst threatsimply does the pandemic reallyuncovered the stronger threat this isWatch at: 39:40 / 40:00the the readiness of the bad guys toruin the achievements achievements inthe policy in children's in the laws wehave already number of of cases like inGreece or or in Slovenia like the plantsin Bulgaria to change the laws and thepublic somehow frozen frozen and in theWatch at: 40:00 / 40:20freedom of reaction to to resist thethe bad guys doing their the things inin favor of destruction of nature of thepolicies of sustainability in generalWatch at: 40:20 / 40:40that's that that we need to really toget more more power and knowledge andreadiness for of the communities andsocieties to resist this if I can answerthat I'm not sure if I can echo that forWatch at: 40:40 / 41:00at least for Germany because what I amseeing right now and I'm not sure whatthe situation is like in other contextsbut to in my understanding and what Ican see right now is that since we havethis tremendous momentum I feel likethere's so many communities waking upWatch at: 41:00 / 41:20and organizing themselves despite thefact that it's really difficult for usright now to protest to go on thestreets with all the restrictions thatwe have that we have in place anddespite that we still have people goingto the streets you know being in distantand wearing masks and everything andstill protesting and demanding andthere's so many petitions going on rightWatch at: 41:20 / 41:40now that we have signed and ourgovernment in fact just adopted thefinancial aid package yesterday or twodays ago and it's not that bad I mean weat least we don't have we don't have thebuyers premium for cars for diesel carsbut only for electric cars which isWatch at: 41:40 / 42:00which is a step and I think and there'sso many movements especially from fromyouth and riders for future and allthese different organizations who arestepping up right now and saying youknow you need to fight every crisis andthe kind of crisis might may not be thatvisible for some especially as we justsaid especially for people living incities and just being a bit you know inWatch at: 42:00 / 42:20their little bubble and being able toclose their eyes um but yeah I think wedo have this momentum right now and Ithink it's we're at the crossroads rightnow and I think we can really use thisopportunity at this moment to bringabout some sustainable change althoughI'm not I still do have to say that Imean I think the daily global emissionsWatch at: 42:20 / 42:40co2 imagefell by I think 17% or something as ofApril 2020what does but it is a bit difficultbecause I think we had the samesituation where a similar situation in2008 after the world financial crisis atthe Great Recession where emissions alsoWatch at: 42:40 / 43:00went down and we were lucky that's goodbut I feel like we haven't quite learnedfrom that and afterwards the economyjust went back up again and I'm yeah abit pessimistic when it comes to that Ithink that this might be just a similarsituation going on now if you don't ifwe don't make the right decisions thebig time huge decisions that need to beWatch at: 43:00 / 43:20made right now to bring about systemicchange there is one thing which makes mevery reserved when thinking about thiscrisis and it's the previous crisis of2008 when there was a big quickestWatch at: 43:20 / 43:40economic crisis in Europe and and then Ichecked statistics in my tía whichshowed that awareness of climate changefell sharply during this 2008 economiccrisis because many other issues weremuch more important and it was also aWatch at: 43:40 / 44:00long time after crisis and this date ofclimate change awareness they rose veryvery slowly after this crisis and havenot yet reached the level that they werebefore is 2008 and that's why I would beWatch at: 44:00 / 44:20very cautious in assessing that I don'tknow potential benefits of this coveredcrisis and the context of environmentaland climate change issues becauseeconomic situation is now much moreWatch at: 44:20 / 44:40important to a big part of society andand also to politicians and and theenvironmental issues they just stepsomewhere they are thrown somewhere backbut on the on the other hand we see alot of newabout the Himalaya becoming visible fromWatch at: 44:40 / 45:00Nepal about the air of San Franciscocleaning up about dolphins in Veniceyeah that's that's that's true but whatwe see is that the train has stopped wealways said that it's impossible to notto commute it's impossible to not to flythe the Train is impossible to stopWatch at: 45:00 / 45:20that's what everybody was echoing in thein the past years now clearly the trainhas subbed we are we are in a pointwhere we might have a chance to go to toa different direction and what I what Iwanted to ask you from from yourWatch at: 45:20 / 45:40perspective as a society what do youthink we should giving up so we can savethe things that really matter like whatare those things that we could give upnow even from experience that we that wegained in the past few monthswhat are unnecessary yes it stopped butWatch at: 45:40 / 46:00the question is how a lot of people losttheir jobs and even in your group in thedeveloped countries there are a lot ofpoor people who needs help so this talkis not modern ideas maybe from my pointWatch at: 46:00 / 46:20of view yes but there are other point ofview point of views like social and weare talking about systemic change I alsouse this race very often you also haveto clarify what do we mean we mean on itWatch at: 46:20 / 46:40and still I was talking aboutenvironmental policies and still thosepoliciesunfortunately targeting end of pipesolutions like let's talk aboutgreenhouse gas emission that's the endof the pipe to limit in greenhouse gasemission the question is yes are weWatch at: 46:40 / 47:00ready to start thinking at the start andthat that is resource use and thus ifthat is about consumptionare we ready to think about lowerour consumption and to say yes it's inevery field it's not just abouttraveling or buying but it's also aboutWatch at: 47:00 / 47:20electricity and everything and that iswe have to think about it it's not anenvironmental or social or economicissue it's a moral issue and thesolution is only there if we can changeour molar Maura Maura where we fight ourWatch at: 47:20 / 47:40happiness in traveling or in buying andconsumption or somewhere else so I thinkwe have to go with it if we want to findthe real solutionI was reading today some statistics orinformation that I haven't heard beforeand that was that if we want to meet theWatch at: 47:40 / 48:00Paris agreement we would need to loweremissions by almost 8 percent every yearfor the next 10 years so this is this isthe global average that we will havelowered due to coronavirus this year sothis means that we would need thecoronavirus to continue for another 10Watch at: 48:00 / 48:20years if we if we want to meet thattarget this is really eye-opening I wasto meet this information the good newsis that that's society can adapt at whatcost is another question but each of usWatch at: 48:20 / 48:40have had to change their habits duringthe past two or three months and I thinkwe can each of us take something awayfrom it and for instance in Slovakia thebiggest job in the missions was due totransport like personal transport youknow so and and I started walking towork and cycling to work before I usedpublic transport but now now it's likeWatch at: 48:40 / 49:00or or I walk so I'm definitely going tokeep this habit for for after thepandemic as well and and yeah soanswering your question Kathy like bothcan we do I think as again asindividuals we we we we should thinkWatch at: 49:00 / 49:20about like what is our personal biggestenvironmental impact and I think mostpeopleit will be traveling and it will be itwill be consumption that traveling willbe one of the really big things so Ithink we also the pendulum has shownthat we can work from home more and wecan commute greener to work you know weWatch at: 49:20 / 49:40shouldn't be lazy we have two minutesfor for the second roundactually one until we switch to the nextbunch and I see that Petco has asentence to stay and also Pauline soquickly go ahead and then we switch offWatch at: 49:40 / 50:00experience and see you back 11:15 in thebig circle so what's your closingsentence Petco yeah it's difficult but Iwould refer to my previous to myprevious talked about the choices weWatch at: 50:00 / 50:20have to support and to incorporate inthe policies right choices if the peoplewant to join do to choose to to to usehow to travel or let's let's work morefrom distance not not really have toWatch at: 50:20 / 50:40travel we have a lot of moreopportunities at hand and and and evenin the environmental movement we have torethink a lot of a lot of choices andopportunities and and the good thingwith viruses that that we have aWatch at: 50:40 / 51:00confirmation that we are right but atwhat Co what price this this issomething to be widely discussed and andand various with various people andopenly and yeah with yeah with the clearWatch at: 51:00 / 51:20with a clear mind thank you thank you somuch for joining the discussion Paulineyou have do you have a sentence yeahmaybe just to reflect also what Ariannasaid to me it's three things first ofall I think we canso domestic flights completely that'sWatch at: 51:20 / 51:40just insane we don't need it we have thetrain service running second because Ithink air travel only accounts for abouttwo point something percent of globalcarbon emissions I think what we need tofocus on is cars and for that instance Ithink what we can do is we need car freeWatch at: 51:40 / 52:00inner cities and more investment intointo bike roads essentially and thethird part is maybe because we allexperience this kind of forcedigitalization now me at university butalso all the other institutions i thinkwe can really what we might take fromthis is just to really look at whatWatch at: 52:00 / 52:20long-term travel for conferences andmeetings we really need and what can bedone online digital university is quiteintense and also somewhat annoying butthere's other incidences where you needlong term travel long distance travelwhich I think could be replaced byonline meetings all right thank you soWatch at: 52:20 / 52:40much for being with us in the first partand we jump to the second part now sothe roti is going to switch your camerasoff and the others on and see you backhere in 30 minutesWatch at: 52:40 / 53:00hey victory and girl I'm sorry rightright now I'm saying right okay thankyou please welcome a first like veryWatch at: 53:00 / 53:20personal questions question is did youchange any of your personal habitsduring this lockdown that we had to amore sustainable one and are you goingto keep on with that first of all weWatch at: 53:20 / 53:40stayed home for more than three monthsso it's just impossible to change yourpersonal habits and it's just impossibleto change your life but I would like todraw the attention that most of the newsis about nature regenerating OrpheusWatch at: 53:40 / 54:00National Geographic had a big article onthat that the dolphins are famous and alot of faith news is there and somethingI think this is one of the biggestdanger to think that we can actuallyhave results connected to environmentwithout actually doing any massivechange in our lifestyle in our way so IWatch at: 54:00 / 54:20do think that the whole idea that withmy watch and the video that we realizedtogether the whole idea how hard is tochoose between different optionshighlights that this is not an easything and it needs continuousinformation but again going back to toWatch at: 54:20 / 54:40the to the question I do think that wemanaged to change a lot of ways not topollute which was not really our choicebut on the other hand I do think that alot of products entered our life whichwas not dead before we are using nowmasks we are using now gloves we areWatch at: 54:40 / 55:00using a lot of of not reusable and notsustainable items which was not there inour lifes and you know if you go to thesupermarket the packaging was not reusedit actually grewin this period so I do think that thatit will be very important until now wedidn't have the choice but from now onWatch at: 55:00 / 55:20it is very important how much do we putemphasis on the risk evasion and howmuch is the emphasis on nature and I dothink that we need and I have seen avery good communication from many bigcompanies who said that when the EU andWatch at: 55:20 / 55:40the other international institutions aredeciding how the package force foreconomic help will look like they needto take consideration a sustainabilityon the long term and I do think thatthis is the whole idea when we arereconstructing the old normality we needto take into consideration that manythings of the old normality was notWatch at: 55:40 / 56:00right in the first place so we shouldsomehow get rid of the of the ballast ofthe of the of the things that we didindeed and we should somehow cultivatenew habits in our lives yeah I reallythink that we need to look forward andWatch at: 56:00 / 56:20how we take the possibility of changingthe world because honestly I was nothappy to see that all the small steps wehave taken in the past few yearswe're drawn away and we did a massivelead back in the past three months whenit comes to Environment Protection theWatch at: 56:20 / 56:40Czech Ministry of Environment suggestedto stop separating the later Sohosomething that you you would believe isnot possible in the 21st century so weneed now to reach angeour setups and focus most possibly onWatch at: 56:40 / 57:00what we can do in the future how we canmotivate the people in the new and moreentertaining way so they will definitelychange their habits no matter what comesaround no matter how much packaging theysee in the supermarket's and no matterhow they are forced to use one-timeequipments like class like masks theyWatch at: 57:00 / 57:20need to think what they are doing andthey need to take their personaldecisions but knowing why they are doingityeah I really I think the biggest thebiggest difference for me during thispandemic was and I can speak for what Isee in Bulgaria in my country I see thatWatch at: 57:20 / 57:40more and more people are more open tosupport the local businesses the localshops locally grown food which is youknow it's a something new it's like atrend which I like and more and morepeople they start to garden they useWatch at: 57:40 / 58:00their balconies their backyards you knowthey they boast with their productionand stuff like that which you know it'sa little thing but it switch yourperspectives to nature back to natureback to rules back to burying birth togrowing up your own food and stuff likeWatch at: 58:00 / 58:20that and then in choosing you know tobuy tomatoes that have been grown likearound your city instead tomatoes thathave flow from the other side of Europeso yeah that's I think it's a it's apositive change now I would I wouldWatch at: 58:20 / 58:40think that the main the main thing togain from this is not shift in minorbehaviors but rather one of the thingswe're observing is is a like a momentaryshift in consciousness right we're whereeverybody in the world was livingthrough something similar and theyunderstood that there's a lot ofincoherent things going on and a lot ofWatch at: 58:40 / 59:00them have to do with economics economicsand kind of like the paradigm we live inum and so and so that moment wherepeople are actually actually askingquestions and saying wait something isnot right here you know or or where youhear people don't want to go back to thenew normal in my opinion that is so muchmore important and amongst my friendswhich are activists and even my friendsWatch at: 59:00 / 59:20which are not activists there's thiskind of openness to say hey okay we needto actually step in and suggestsomething because people who've usuallybeen bitching about the environment andyou know about sustainability and all ofthis for so long are marginalized and wehave assumed that role as marginalvoices within a bigger paradigmWatch at: 59:20 / 59:40but the moment when people say thepeople up top are the people who are arethe incumbents there's main guys incharge or the people who are mainstreamgo wait this we actually see that thisis not working and that's the momentwhen we need to step in and again thathas to our new narrative has to come notfrom an outsider speaking in not fromWatch at: 59:40 / 01:00:00the adolescent complaining about thehabits of their parents but as somebodywho's actually offering sustainable longterm visions of what we of what weshould be aspiring for and and so and soI don't know if we've missed theopportunity for me that I have that kindof like a bit of a feeling but I I didreally feel that during the whole KovachWatch at: 01:00:00 / 01:00:20crisis people were listening people wereactually looking for somebody to makesense and and and I think in a greenerway and not in a way that says wait howdo we solve supply chain issues how dowe solve sustainability also in terms ofquality of life a a in conjunction witheconomic developments in all this um I'dWatch at: 01:00:20 / 01:00:40like to see us still step up to thischallenge what what we've seen is thatwe are capable to adapt so from fromyour your Spears perspective in relationto climate changeWatch at: 01:00:40 / 01:01:00what does adaptation means to yourcommunity you know when we talk aboutadaptation I remember the first timewhen I when I actually met in a hard waythe issue of climate change I was apolitician long long time ago and we hadWatch at: 01:01:00 / 01:01:20an international gathering when one MPfrom Ramallah from Africa Central Africacame and said you in Europe you arecausing most of the pollutions and youare talking about adaptation and whileyou are talking about adaptation I justlost half of my voters in a village andWatch at: 01:01:20 / 01:01:40I didn't lost the voters because theyare not voting with me a lot becausethey they they lost their their theircrop-field and have nothing to eat so Ihave a crisis my voters are dying andyou are tooabout depression so I do think that weneed to put everything somehow incontext when I heard this for the firstWatch at: 01:01:40 / 01:02:00time I said okay this is an issue cannotbe ignored and this is an issue wecannot put enough emphasis on it and Ido think that that adaptation should bea later solution if we really cannotsolve the issue if we cannot address theissue then we can talk about adaptationbut for us it's it's relatively easy toWatch at: 01:02:00 / 01:02:20talk about adaptation because we live ina climate which is still not veryaffected we live in an area which we wehave a significantly good economicsituation even an economic growth in ourpart of Europe so it's easy for us totalk about adaptation but if we are notWatch at: 01:02:20 / 01:02:40considering the larger picture if we arenot considering if we will have the theissues continuing regarding water safetyregarding pollution regarding starvationand other things in in in Asiaespecially in the Pakistan Indian regionin the in the sub-saharan Africa we willhave migration waves which will not whenWatch at: 01:02:40 / 01:03:00you look at it it will not be connectedto climate change but we will not beprepared to deal with it and the wholeidea is not about adaptation how do wemake sure that the big impact is notgoing to happen and right now we have asignificant reduction in pollution it'sWatch at: 01:03:00 / 01:03:20still not enough but at least we seethat it's possibleso nobody that there was no huge problembecause we stopped for a few months nowwe can consider do we need that muchpollution do we need that muchconsumption do we need to continueexactly as we were doing in a wayWatch at: 01:03:20 / 01:03:40because if you look Lance at one of thebiggest psychological journals publishthe 25% of the population of Belgium forinstance which we consider like a mothercountry he's totally unhappy and has alevel of very critical stress stressthat they cannot deal with them bythemselves so if we consider this is theWatch at: 01:03:40 / 01:04:00kind of society we want to build in I dothink that we have better choices butthe whole idea is to talk continuousabout this how can it look to present abetter future to the people or or abetter image of the future not justcriticize what is not going because theone of the main problems with theWatch at: 01:04:00 / 01:04:19environmental movement is that we arepointing out what is not working but weare not creating a view how the worldwould look like which is understandableand easy for everybody in order to adoptnew behaviors we have to think about itadaptation is something what mankind isgreat in we have always adapted yeah soWatch at: 01:04:19 / 01:04:40I'm not afraid that we would not haveenough people creating adaptationscenarios where I see our role is thatwe need to focus on prevention andmitigation because this is where notmajority of people are heading tobecause that causes Lamora fourth itcauses more of personal inputs what weWatch at: 01:04:40 / 01:05:00need to change in our everyday lives andI really think that our role as NGOsshould not be in in adaptation we haveeconomists we have good governments thatare doing anyway so we should focus onprevention and I understand that allthese three parts are essential to workWatch at: 01:05:00 / 01:05:19on the solution of climate crisis but weneed to focus more on prevention and sowhat I wanted to point out is that youreally rightly said mugger is that whenwe speak of climate change often we getWatch at: 01:05:19 / 01:05:40into like a negative emotional cycle andit makes people uncomfortable and it'sthey more likely to neglect the thetopic as a whole so what do you thinkwhat was the biggest barrier that peopleWatch at: 01:05:40 / 01:06:00have to to disolve to be able to talkabout climate change I do think if youlook at it psychologically we denybecause we cannot handle the threat thewhole idea if now we are focusing as asas people as citizens as organizedWatch at: 01:06:00 / 01:06:19in order to enforce the positivebehaviors that appeared in this periodthen we are able to change something inthe future the whole idea is that we aretoo much focused on criticizing too muchfocused on on pointing out what is notworking and if we would be focusing onWatch at: 01:06:19 / 01:06:40on on encouraging people you started todo this and this during this crisisplease continue it was a very very goodpoint and if we do that we will see somereal behavioral changes and in the longterm I do think that the culture of ourof our society can be changed but thisWatch at: 01:06:40 / 01:07:00is also this also depends to theleadership models that we are we areproposing the leadership orders that weare electing so it's a bigger picturebut it all starts with encouragingpositive behaviors as I said I think mygod is completely completely spot on manlike for sure because you need alsopositive visions people something forWatch at: 01:07:00 / 01:07:19people to be inspired about I can saythat one of the shifts I've had in thepast year even previous to colvett andand it may be speaking to a lot ofradical communities like The Burning Mancommunity and really being active thereis that is that there's a concept whichis surfacing which is building arcs sorather than again bitching about aparadigm and saying this is bad that'sWatch at: 01:07:19 / 01:07:40bad we need to change this and this andthat is actually envisioning arcssystems self-sufficient systems whichare sustainable within themselves andare coherent to the people which areinside them and perpetuate them and thebeautiful thing is that then people seethey see a model that works and they goI'm cool with this I like this I canWatch at: 01:07:40 / 01:08:00envision a post paradigm which lookssomething like this so kind of likebuilding micro utopias and reallyapplying them on a very grassroots levelwhere people can reap both the benefitsof of you know being part of it then youknow experiencing but also feeling thatthey're not impotent when you look atthe whole scenario and saying how do wechange the whole thingWatch at: 01:08:00 / 01:08:20because the truth of the matter is isthat if you if you just engage theparadigm with everything that's bad withit and you know it leads it leads toimpotence it leads to a sense of ofunfulfillment it leads to a sense ofpointlessnessand that's why I think that actuallyreally just trying to see somethingbeyond it like something we can create aWatch at: 01:08:20 / 01:08:40community which is something toreplicate and to scale and to emit it'sa good way to go yeah what I think isthat usually in every case andespecially in this sensitive topicstorytelling is like to that we can usefor example climate change it's such aWatch at: 01:08:40 / 01:09:00huge problem such a huge scale but forexample the story that you told thisBible just few minutes before you knowit just it gives me perspective so whatI think we need is more stories becausethrough human stories we can really seethe scale of the changing of the theWatch at: 01:09:00 / 01:09:20lives of people around the world andthere's a actually a great movie it'scalled 2040which I really recommend it's adocumentary if you haven't watched itwhich it's about a father who explainsto his little daughter like what theworld is gonna look like in 20 years andWatch at: 01:09:20 / 01:09:40what he does is that he gives himself norestrictions so like he takes the besttheories that we can live in the next 20years and he he makes them alive like helike he takes the best for example theWatch at: 01:09:40 / 01:10:00ideal car models and he shows what theworld will look like after 20 years ifwe start now you know producing this carmodels so it's really inspiring filmthat if we use you know our imaginationand storytelling and just you know thinkfor the encourage as you say for for theWatch at: 01:10:00 / 01:10:20you know for this sensitive topic ofclimate change I think we can start tohave like more open in receiving peoplefor this topic so I think storytellingand and you know an imagination issomething that we can try to work on weWatch at: 01:10:20 / 01:10:40got a really nice comment on Facebookforum from resistantthey say instead of asking the questionwhat can we give up Vicco does thequestion what do we gain by living moresustainable and there is also an exampleWatch at: 01:10:40 / 01:11:00so instead of saying we should give updriving car in the city center we couldsay we we should gain more public spacesfor people for music for restaurants fortrees and for parks so the flip side ofthe coin can be part of the discussionas well and I really I really like thisWatch at: 01:11:00 / 01:11:20and also building on what Chris said Ifeel that we entered the game when wewant to we want to impress people withnumbers how many football fields orforests are disappearing we have an islethe size of Texas or France floating onWatch at: 01:11:20 / 01:11:40the Indian Ocean and so on but theproblem is that we cannot visualize thatbig data I heard I led double thebathroom mania for seven years and awaythe bay of Korea for one year and when Iwas in Korea I heard a lot about plasticpollution and I was a it's terrible andI have seen the videos we went to do aWatch at: 01:11:40 / 01:12:00necropsy on sea turtles because we hadone of the biggest experts and we wereopening the dead turtles and one afteranother they would fill with plastic andwhen you see action with your own eyesthat that 70 percent of this planet isplastic we actually occupy 20-25 percentof this planet and we are able toWatch at: 01:12:00 / 01:12:20pollute so hardly the oceans that 70percent of the of the turtles I haveseen with my own eyes were blockedbecause of plastic inside theirdigestive system I was just standingthere and I said I cannot believe thisactually I cannot believe this III don'twant to touch plastic ever again whichis not possible in our lives but againWatch at: 01:12:20 / 01:12:40if we come with smaller stories and morepowerful and more personal and not withthe big numbers how many hectares of Idon't know what or how many litters orhow many trillions of of plasticparticles are in the ocean do weactually need to see what is the realimpact and also we need to see what isthe impact of the people who are doingWatch at: 01:12:40 / 01:13:00the positchange because there are a lot of peoplearound us who are influencing theircommunities and making huge changes andI'm not talking just about theenvironment I'm talking about socialchanges I'm talking about inequalitiesI'm talking about people who are whenyou look at them it seems that they areWatch at: 01:13:00 / 01:13:20alone but they are Menke making hugedifference they are making a really goodeffort and I do think buildingcommunities around those individualsperiod in communities between us is thesolution in order to change the cultureof the long-term I would like to commenton that because our experience from ourWatch at: 01:13:20 / 01:13:40audience is that they like the positiveexamples and what they can do becauseonce we are showing them too much of thebig picture they feel that their smallchange will not do anything and then thedecision is I won't do anything and thisis wrong setup so we need to set in theminds of the people that every smallWatch at: 01:13:40 / 01:14:00change counts because and I know it frommy personal experience that start with asmall change and then you add anotherone and then you add another one andsuddenly in a year you are living a nicesustainable life and you go by exampleand you bring another community doingthe same and that finally makes thedifference so yeah maybe one personWatch at: 01:14:00 / 01:14:20would not make so much difference but ifyou inspire others that's what'simportant and that's what our audienceis saying to us the way you are sayingit the way that you are positive and youare not threatening but leading byexample is what motivates usWatch at: 01:14:20 / 01:14:40Chris jumping jumping on your movie ideaof 2040 I actually like you are readingmy questions because the last questionthat I wanted to ask you guys is that soimagine the TV are in 2040 there are alot of radical changes that went throughWatch at: 01:14:40 / 01:15:00the very some of them happened becauseof climate change and if you get achance from there to give an advice toyour present self in 2020 what wouldthat one advice beWatch at: 01:15:00 / 01:15:20so if I can startI focused on a lot of the small thingsand now I can see that I can do evenbigger changes and there was one topicthat I slightly over seen for the pastfew years and I would advise my youngerme to be more cautious about the energyWatch at: 01:15:20 / 01:15:40that we are using because there is wheremost of the pollution we are creatinglives and I would start fighting againstthe coal power plants much earlier thanI did thank you I do think if we want toengage in the topic of environment weWatch at: 01:15:40 / 01:16:00need to in acknowledge that it's notjust about the environment it's aboutpeople it's not about that we shouldconvince everybody on this planet tocare about the environment we shouldconvince everybody on this planet tocare about others because if you startto care about people around you if youstart to care about come your communityWatch at: 01:16:00 / 01:16:20if you start to care about your countryor your or your continent then you buyby default you will care about theenvironment if you are thinking aboutmore than yourselvesyou are already environmentalist even ifyou are not talking about forests oceansplastic or any other topic so I do thinkWatch at: 01:16:20 / 01:16:40that with what we need to talk about iscare more communities and also letyourself to be seen as vulnerable we arenot perfect and we can support eachother this is why we are on this planetright nowWatch at: 01:16:40 / 01:17:00and I do think that together we canachieve a lot of great things I wouldagree I would agree that one of the mostimportant things is elevatingconsciousness and getting people toactually be more emotionally investednot only in in the environments butespecially other people and creatingWatch at: 01:17:00 / 01:17:20that sense of togetherness and that'sagain you know Kovac reality has shownus that you can have a whole planetliving through the same thing and sohaving that connection is is extremelyimportant and creating that togethernessbutI would also add that if I was tellingmyself something from 2014 to 2020 Iwould be out myself to invest in smallWatch at: 01:17:20 / 01:17:40scale but scalable resilient solutionsyou know they think about creating smallprototypes things that could work andinspire others rather than trying to gothe whole lobbyist path and say forexample and let's change energy byfinding a solution to to to coal butrather say hey how can i how can IWatch at: 01:17:40 / 01:18:00provide energy for my own home in my owncommunity or small group of people andinspire others to do to take to takereigns of that changeso I I would I would combine the two youknow more empathy more love more caringbut it really with with feasiblescalable grassroots solutions somethingWatch at: 01:18:00 / 01:18:20I would probably say to myself is to notstop leading by example because it'svictory said I think this is the mostpowerful way that you can just you knowpractice what you preach no just don'tjust preach to you know faces of theWatch at: 01:18:20 / 01:18:40people but now having to live you knowin a sustainable way even without youknow telling your friends about it theycan see it and they can you know startasking questions and then you can have aconversation but that conversation isnot started with you know we are dyinglet's make a change but hey I think thisWatch at: 01:18:40 / 01:19:00is the better way so yeah I think thatevery like every person every decisionmatters and it can lead up to you knowimpact that we are not capable of seeingbecause you know we are we're living ourWatch at: 01:19:00 / 01:19:20lives but we don't know what we impactand how we impact the people around thisbut just having yeah having that in mindset the arriving slowly because I thinkthey also might have a great answer forthis last question so your 2040 self canWatch at: 01:19:20 / 01:19:40send a message to your 22itself what's that advice that you wouldgive well start from the newcomer soWatch at: 01:19:40 / 01:20:00just come back early yeah I think yeahfor me it's a message still to live asas I living now but I hope that the lovethat mindset of a people could be alittle bit different it'll be easier totalk about a lot of things I think it'sWatch at: 01:20:00 / 01:20:20not climate crisis or climate changesthe issue is the issue of human mindsetwhich is still not capable to have itall the things we have a lot of badthings which should be connected asMagor said in in in more widelyperspective and I still believe itWatch at: 01:20:20 / 01:20:40love holiness it will be the right thingin the future so III i see it as abright 2014 not as a dark ones oh wellthank you let me start with a concretelet me start with a concrete proposalWatch at: 01:20:40 / 01:21:00take action now for Earth Day friends oftheirs Hungary just published more thanhundred pages set of proposals for greeneconomic recovery with the main aim todecrease our resources and to find realcause of the problems and solve them andthat is also why we started a petitionWatch at: 01:21:00 / 01:21:20called live affirming society andeconomy and which is a little bit morecomplex than a usual petition it's justnot it's not just demands from someoneelse but also pledges from myself andwhat would I do differently in whichWatch at: 01:21:20 / 01:21:40individual or as a family or as part ofthe community and whatever to that I canhave demands from the decision makersbecause we think that change shouldhappen on every level there are fourareas in of the petition sustainable useof Natural Resourcesinstead of globalization responsibleWatch at: 01:21:40 / 01:22:00corporations and transformationalfinance system and last but mostimportantly the new world of thinkingand our morals and the petition wasbacked by more than 100 van on peoplepeople at the beginning bishops mayorsactivists teachers actresses writers andWatch at: 01:22:00 / 01:22:20more than 6,000 people made the pledgeand signed the petition to today and youcan find hopefully soon the link in thechat of facebook facebook life pleasecheck and make your pledge andconcretely about your question what isthe proposal eight of myself I wouldWatch at: 01:22:20 / 01:22:40bring a coat but from a Hungarianengineer and this is that in the worldthe problem is not that we are doingsomething wrongly but that we are doingwrong things and if we finally do goodthings even badly the result will beWatch at: 01:22:40 / 01:23:00good maybe smaller but good while if wewant to do bad things better and betterthe results will be bigger bad and thatis what we are doing now let's changethat and start doing even small but goodthings thank you we still have enoughWatch at: 01:23:00 / 01:23:20time yesall right so I think if I were to sendmyself a message it would probably be toWatch at: 01:23:20 / 01:23:40engage in difficult conversationsbecause what I've been doing in the pastis whenever I would notice someone onbelieving in climate change or notsharing my opinion and my my passionessentially I would avoid thatconversation and I think we need to havethese difficult conversations withWatch at: 01:23:40 / 01:24:00people who do not necessarily shareopinion and I even experience that in inthe human rights community I'm I work alot as a volunteer with AmnestyInternationaland we are trying to raise moreawareness about the inter-linkagesbetween climate change and human rightsviolations as a consequence of climateWatch at: 01:24:00 / 01:24:20change and in the human rights communitythere's a lot of people who maybe don'tnecessarily see this as a traditionalhuman rights issue because you knowwe're here to protect humans and humanrights and that's got nothing to do withthe environment which is just wrong onso many levels because you know there'sWatch at: 01:24:20 / 01:24:40no need to protect human rights orupholding rides on a debt clinic and ifwhen there's no future so that'ssomething we try to do for example wejust actually just today we're finishinga an education campaign where every weekone of our activists would just take onespecific human right and explain howthis specific right is violated as aWatch at: 01:24:40 / 01:25:00consequence of climate change to justreally make it visible andunderstandable for everyone and I thinkthat's my main takeaway also that weneed to see that all different groupsfrom all spheres of society need to stepup and see how their topics be it humanrights or anything else are connected tothe climate crisis we need this responseWatch at: 01:25:00 / 01:25:20to be all of society thank you yeahthank you I would first like to say that[Music]Watch at: 01:25:20 / 01:25:40don't be depressed yeah we have a lot alot of problemsthis bloody environmentalists are alwaysalways talking about the problems andoften people yeah either ignore it orget depressed don't be depressed thereWatch at: 01:25:40 / 01:26:00are solutions solutions are in our handif you want if you are capable andsimply choose the most suitable scenarioor more suitable life's life for for youWatch at: 01:26:00 / 01:26:20and the sametime B press 1 press 2 put your press onthe companies put your press on thegovernment's because there they all workfor their private interests or most ofWatch at: 01:26:20 / 01:26:40them and if there is no if you don'tunite if we don't go and we if we don'tinsist nothing is happening and therethey're doing or taking the wrong orprivate serving decision and that'sWatch at: 01:26:40 / 01:27:00that's what would be my message this ismy message to myself that's what I'mtrying to do and this is my message toto our followers or people who wants todo something to solve the problems ofthe climate and to preserve biodiversityWatch at: 01:27:00 / 01:27:20I don't like to forget this last thingthank you thank youif there are any more message fromfuture selves maybe I would add themessage to myself would be the most theWatch at: 01:27:20 / 01:27:40most energy donors motivation and almosthope and find their community becausetogether we're stronger and that reallyhelps when you feel down you have yoursupport group and and together you youovercome that that's the sugar and thewhip is just something my climate changeWatch at: 01:27:40 / 01:28:00professor said once she said when wefelt really down together doing oneclass and maybe it's not verymotivational for somebody but for me itis she says it can always be worse it'sgonna be probably bad but it can alwaysWatch at: 01:28:00 / 01:28:20be worse so we have to keep on doingsomething and we have to fix what we canfix so there's still time so let's do itdid we have every everyone in this okayif yes I I really want to thank you forWatch at: 01:28:20 / 01:28:40bringing all your diverse perspective inhere and I fully agree with your lastsentence at Rihanna that we really needcommunity and we really need peerconnection and peer learning becauseWatch at: 01:28:40 / 01:29:00this is the only way we can keepourselves on the surface in this in thisgame that we play in in order to win andone thing that I would like to show youis a little last piece of this callWatch at: 01:29:00 / 01:29:20today is the project introduction videothat we created I hope it brings you abit of mojo and then we come back for aquick check out circle all together soif durka is ready to share her skiingWatch at: 01:29:20 / 01:29:40with the video we go and watch it yes nosoundWatch at: 01:29:40 / 01:30:00[Music][Music]Watch at: 01:30:00 / 01:30:20[Music][Music]Watch at: 01:30:20 / 01:30:40thank you okay so I just want toemphasize the key messages like theaction points that we can take from hereand that to raise awareness to changeWatch at: 01:30:40 / 01:31:00our own habits to create community andto encourage others to do the same I Ithink that's what we all agreed that weare game on for now I would like to askyou to share your left hand I know theWatch at: 01:31:00 / 01:31:20right bring your right hand now you canunmute yourself because I want yournoise it makes it makes it more funnyso now find someone on your scream whoyou really felt aligned with fine findWatch at: 01:31:20 / 01:31:40the hand that you want to give ahigh-five to and 19 degrees around yourleft hand and try to clap with thatperson at the same time so try to give aWatch at: 01:31:40 / 01:32:00high-five to someone on this screen yeahit's a bit of it needs coordinationbecause the oneokay so try to try to give us high five- okay good one and we got a littleWatch at: 01:32:00 / 01:32:20Watch at: 01:32:20 / 01:32:40music promised I think wow okay allright let me start sir yes sir all rightWatch at: 01:32:40 / 01:33:00it's good I just gonna grab my guitarone second thank you all right so one ofthe things I would suggest right here isto really get yourself involved I havenoticed that when we are online where aWatch at: 01:33:00 / 01:33:20lot of socialization happens online youneed a lot of imagination you need a lotof trust so I can create some musiconline for you but I need to show meWatch at: 01:33:20 / 01:33:40those hands because it really helps them[Music]Watch at: 01:33:40 / 01:34:00participating you are actually reachingyour experience through your ownparticipation without me getting thefeedback just trusting make some music[Music]Watch at: 01:34:00 / 01:34:20[Music][Applause][Music]Watch at: 01:34:20 / 01:34:40[Music][Music]Watch at: 01:34:40 / 01:35:00[Music]something you didn't do on your own withthe more Sun give me a motion treatedWatch at: 01:35:00 / 01:35:20like son gonna make some music togetherWatch at: 01:35:20 / 01:35:40music is a beautiful thingand it's much more beautiful when you doWatch at: 01:35:40 / 01:36:00it together when people come into acommon pulsation and in a way when youexpose yourself to other human beingsyou calibrate not only your physicalself your heartbeat your demeanor butalso psychologically emotionally andintellectually so I'm glad that wejazzed around with all these beautifulWatch at: 01:36:00 / 01:36:20ideas today and we made beautiful musictogetheroh thank you so much everyone thankseveryone who was watching us on FacebookI'm going to switch the record the lifeWatch at: 01:36:20 / 01:36:40of so goodbye people

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