How to connect with a hard to catch horse

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Watch at: 00:00 / 00:00:20hello everyone and welcome to thecompassionate cowgirl show where I teachyou how to connect with your horse usingcompassion innovation and self-awarenessand this is part of the mystic serieswhere I demonstrate these concepts usingmystic a previously wild untrainableMustang from South Steen's Oregon soWatch at: 00:20 / 00:40let's go ahead and dive into today'swork so this is going to be the show foryou if you have ever had as she iscatching your horse I know that thisproblem can be super frustratingespecially when we're in a hurry to getto that trailer ride or horse show orjust spending the time we do have awayfrom work with our horse so what I'mWatch at: 00:40 / 01:00gonna be going over today is how Itaught mystic to be caught I don'treally like that word um how to getconnection with them right from thebeginning so that's what I'll bedemonstrating with mystic the goal is tohave a horse you not only is not justtolerant of being caught that's not whatreally we really want we want a horse toWatch at: 01:00 / 01:20actually enjoys training time right andcomes up to us to interact and reallyseek this out because ease here is doingso that's the game plan now we're gonnastart I have a very itchyzebra demanding pets here we're gonnastart by going to my office and talkingWatch at: 01:20 / 01:40about kind of the theory behind how thisis gonna work and then we're gonna seeit in action with mystic out in thefield and then finally we're gonna meetover a cup of tea and we're gonna talkabout how this lesson is going to applyto yourself as well because trueconnection with horses or other humansalways starts with connecting withourselves first so that is where we seeWatch at: 01:40 / 02:00lasting transformation now before wedive in I want to share a very kindtestimonial with you guys and it lookslike Zeus is demanding some morescratches here before we get started youcan see he's quite enjoying himselfWatch at: 02:00 / 02:20all right so anyways back to thetestimonial to let me grab my phone outfor a secondso this testimonial is from AngelaAngela says as a non trainer taking on aMustang to train it has been quite thejourney an emotional roller coaster twoWatch at: 02:20 / 02:40steps forward five steps back the wayyou teach and the time you put into thissite your website and your videos isjust crazy and amazing it's hard for meto learn by watching because so often Iwill watch a video of someone and theywill work on this or that and they showyou how to do it and that is it not youyou literally tell us what you are doingWatch at: 02:40 / 03:00every step of the way I never have towonder I wonder why she sent him offthat time but not this time I'm a Yperson because you are always educatingI can't even tell you how much I havelearned in just the short time followingyou here and on your case studies sothank you Angela Angela is a member ofthe Academy membership and I have soWatch at: 03:00 / 03:20enjoyed having her on there and actuallyhad the pleasure of meeting her at ahorse fair that we did recently she cameand helped us out so thank you Angelafor all the time you put in with yourMustang and for allowing me to help youalong your journey all right so withthat I think we're ready to go ahead andget to it I'll see you guys in just aWatch at: 03:20 / 03:40moment in the office[Music][Music]Watch at: 03:40 / 04:00[Music]all right so let's go ahead and talkabout some of the different approachesfor catching your horse now in our lastepisode we talked about the differentWatch at: 04:00 / 04:20ways of motivating our horses primarilypositive and negative reinforcementso with negative reinforcement wecommonly will use a technique calledround pending to get the worst to faceup and they'll draw and get the horsesWatch at: 04:20 / 04:40to follow us with positive reinforcementwe want to accomplish the same butwithout necessarily adding pressure likewe would using the round penningtechnique so in teaching the horse toface up in the round pen what you wantis the horse to be looking at you andonce they're looking at you and stayfocused on you you can kind of moveWatch at: 04:40 / 05:00around and influence their movement toget just a single step forward towardsyou and then you kind of give them abreak and release and then you startshaping that so that you get a few moreconsistent steps to where the horse isactually following you and they learnthat the human is the release ofpressure it creates this magnetic pullon the human and kind of a negativeWatch at: 05:00 / 05:20charge on the rest of the round pen oneof the ways that this is done is bymaking the human a place of rest in thearea around the round pen is a place ofwork so if the human loses the horsesattention and loses done facing up thenthe human will send them out into theround pen and ask them to work the horseWatch at: 05:20 / 05:40is always going to choose the lowestenergy pathway and being a prey animalespecially they really want to conservetheir energy so they're always going tobe looking at where can I get not evennot just a release of pressure whichthey get from looking at the human butalso where is that lowest energy pathwayWatch at: 05:40 / 06:00so that is kind of a technique aroundpetting in a nutshell but with mystic wedon't have a round pen so obviouslywe're gonna have to look at a differenttechnique because if you don't have around pen your only other option reallyis to do it from horseback so I don'tknow if you guys ever saw Monte bobbertsdocumentary of gentling a wild horse inWatch at: 06:00 / 06:20the wild but he kind of used thetechnique he would have used in a roundpen but did it in a big open area bywriting a written horse and then workingthe horse you would have been working inthe round pen from his written horse nowwith some horsesand if the trainer is skilled enough inWatch at: 06:20 / 06:40their feel you can use what's called theapproach and a treat method to approachthe horse and not have to send them outin to work so you can imagineapproaching a horse with these imaginaryrings projecting off of them that's whatI call kind of their personal spaceboundary their threshold if you cross aWatch at: 06:40 / 07:00ring or a threshold and that was kind oftheir boundary of where they feltcomfortable they're going to leave andrun away so if you're approaching ahorse in a big area or in the round penI'm always thinking about thresholds andthe approach in retreat you want tothink about approaching the edge oftheir threshold and not going past whereWatch at: 07:00 / 07:20they feel comfortable so you're going toapproach that ring that threshold andthen retreat and then come back andeventually you'll work your way to thenext threshold and then retreat so it'sa bunch of approaching and they'retreating every retreat you make istelling the horse that hey I heard you Iunderstand you're not quite comfortablewith me getting that close that's okayI'm going to leave and you're alsoWatch at: 07:20 / 07:40rewarding them through negativereinforcement the release of pressuremental pressure in this case so withsome horses you can approach a difficultto catch horse using that method andbuild some draw and don't have to worryabout sending the horse aroundespecially if you're in a big area soWatch at: 07:40 / 08:00that's a way that I've addressed somedifficult to catch horses out in the bigarea but with mystic we're going to beusing positive reinforcement and what wecan do with this too is that rather thanus approaching mystic mystic is actuallygoing to approach us so the approach andWatch at: 08:00 / 08:20retreat method is great and you cansupplement with a clicker if you'retrying to approach the horse but I'vefound for horses who are morestandoffish or more introverted two ofmy Mustangs Turk in a mirror or this wayis that it's much easier to use thetarget training and get them to come tome versus me going out to go get themWatch at: 08:20 / 08:40and you know every day I kind of need toacknowledge these thresholds of wherethey're at I can't just walk right up tothem because they are introverted andtheir personal spaceis really big so the positivereinforcement training ends up being aquicker way to go catch your horse tooso that you're not having to workWatch at: 08:40 / 09:00through each of those thresholds everytime you go and get them and instead ofyou approaching the horse the horse isapproaching you all right so let's goahead and take a look at this in actionhow we're going to use positivereinforcement to build a connection withmystic who has been previously very hardto catch so with that I'll see you guysWatch at: 09:00 / 09:20out in the field in just a moment[Music]Watch at: 09:20 / 09:40[Music][Music]Watch at: 09:40 / 10:00all right so let's go ahead and headinto mystics pen so this is the fieldthat she had let herself into and thereWatch at: 10:00 / 10:20she is and so she has access to thiswhole field and then you guys can seethe my team of Mustangs and zebras areright over there and then our neighborshorses are back there on the other sidebut what I'm gonna do is she's alreadyWatch at: 10:20 / 10:40kind of up in her training area whereI've been working with her but I want toshow you guys like we talked about howto touch her using positivereinforcement so it's going to bedifferent obviously since we don't havea round pen so instead what you'll seeme doing when I go in here is I'm gonnaWatch at: 10:40 / 11:00grab my target I have this feed pan andI'm gonna work on her just lookingtowards me looking towards the targetclicking and then treating but theproblem is if you have a horse you isn'tgetting close enough to you to even handfeed then that's when the feed pan comesinto play which I talked about in myWatch at: 11:00 / 11:20training videos and things like that howthis is a really useful tool when you'restarting out anyways so I'm gonnademonstrate that but mystic is alreadyhas gotten really good with this so I'mjust gonna demonstrate first with thefeed pan and then you'll see me justhand feeding her and we'll go ahead andget started so what I'm gonna do is I'mWatch at: 11:20 / 11:40gonna get kind of as close as I can toher like maybe right here when she kindof looked at me we'll talk aboutthresholds in another episode and I'mjust gonna lay the feed pan down andthen when she's looking at me even I'mWatch at: 11:40 / 12:00gonna click and then deliver the foodreward and then step back is the key youwant to step back because otherwisethey're not going to feel comfortableenough to come up and take the food andthen eventually what's going to happenis that you don't have tothat setback and you can just stay atthe feed pan okay so as soon as sheWatch at: 12:00 / 12:20looked at me there and even right thereokay then that's what I'm gonna clickand treat so you don't necessarily evenhave to use the target this face butI'll kind of show you guys how I wouldweave that in as well but just gettingthat iContact getting them to face upWatch at: 12:20 / 12:40like we would in the round pen withnegative reinforcement good but usingthe click and tree instead of thatrelease of pressure and the comfort okaynow there is a certain degree ofreleasing pressure during this thoughright because I had to step back andgive her space that's actually thatWatch at: 12:40 / 13:00release of mental pressurealright so it's still really importantwhen you're using the positivereinforcement in the clicker training tobe aware of how pressure is going toapply now this is a really good exercisefor mystic too because she's stillgetting used to the camera so you cansee her kind of checking it out so whatWatch at: 13:00 / 13:20I might do is ask her to come towards mebut a little bit closer and she's likeoh this feet pan seems a little bitsafer than getting closed up by thecamera right so once she looks at meagain I'm going to click but she's notlooking at me yet and you can influenceWatch at: 13:20 / 13:40this by kind of moving around right solike right there when I kind of steptowards her now when she didn't come tome I'll say okay that's fine I'll justgo ahead and throw your feed your treein the feed pan okay now I go over inmore detail what food to use and reallyhow to start the clicker training in myWatch at: 13:40 / 14:00membership library of training videos ifyou guys are interested but as far asthe food rewards that I'm using most ofthe time it's just going to be some formof hay pellets so it'll kind of dependon the horse and how much motivationthat they needbut I really want her I don't want to beWatch at: 14:00 / 14:20the only resource for the food thatshe's getting so I'm not going to beusing like a really high sugary treatunless I'm using a lot of counterconditioning which we'll talk aboutlater but basically if they've had areally negative association withsomething and/or I really need to usekind of their jackpot favorite kind ofWatch at: 14:20 / 14:40reward okay so let's see if I can gether to look good and then there she waskind of coming towards me so I might gotowards her and deliver the treat butagain if she wasn't comfortable I wouldjust throw it in the feed pan okay thereshe looked again and see how I got astuff that time so what you want to dookay so a little reactive using the feedWatch at: 14:40 / 15:00pan is also another way to keep yourselfsafe she's not gonna feel a lot of needto go into fight right now because shecan go into flight very easily and thatis gonna be her primary method of choiceas most horses but of course if I neededto use a boundary with her like aprotected contact or a barrier betweenus and using the feed pan are a few waysWatch at: 15:00 / 15:20I can keep her keep us both safe okay sothere she looked at me and then I'll goahead and throw the food again but whatI was going to start talking about withyou guys is that what I could do nextonce you have the horse looking at youis try to get a few steps forward likeWatch at: 15:20 / 15:40she just gave so it's going to startwith them just looking and then maybeeven a shift of weight towards you andthen maybe a foot and then two feet andthen several steps until they startregularly approaching you okay and she'skind of come up like I said right awayalthough she's still a little timid okayWatch at: 15:40 / 16:00but that means you'll just you know youcan work at greater distances and maybewhat she's showing me if you're workingon this where the horse is hard to catchin a big open field but ideally youcould introduce the target to them to inan area where you know you have a closerdistance with them as well now to getWatch at: 16:00 / 16:19that step towards me what I might do ismove my body back right and kind of drawher in that way andand as soon as I get one or two stepsclick and treat that okay and then shewas feeling a little uncomfortable againnot fine I'm just gonna let her leaveWatch at: 16:19 / 16:40there and then maybe we'll go back toworking kind of near the feed pan okayso when she's not kind of looking at meI'm just either going to ignore her orkind of come into her space just alittle bit so that maybe she wants tocheck me out and as soon as she startsturning towards me click and treat thatWatch at: 16:40 / 17:00okay goodso again as a prerequisite for thisexercise it is going to be helpful ifthey know what this handheld targetmeans and they know to touch it and whenthey touch it good things happen that'sgoing to definitely help with yourcatching but if I was using the clickerWatch at: 17:00 / 17:20training for a horse you didn't evenknow it what the target was at first I'dprobably just used my body and thenslowly weave the target in because againI can influence her kind of lookingtowards me by stuffing towards kind ofher personal space to right on the edgewhere she kind of goes to check me outand say huh what are you doing there andkind of looks at meokay maybe draw eye forward a few stepsWatch at: 17:20 / 17:40again good and see if we can go maybe uptowards the camera just to here in asecond when she looks at me I'll presentthe targetWatch at: 17:40 / 18:00that's actually her thinking andconsidering it's not her just beinguninterested and okayand maybe see how she's wanting to backWatch at: 18:00 / 18:20away so when she stayed in this area upby the camera maybe I'll try to clickand treat before she decides to take offand say hey this is a pretty good placeto be okay so if I were in the round penlike we talked about earlier thetechnique would be that when they areWatch at: 18:20 / 18:40focused on you it's a place of rest seeon my body you are back there and all ofthe pressure is off of them and for thiswe're our reward is more the click andtreat ok the positive reinforcement andWatch at: 18:40 / 19:00again I go over how to hand feed andeverything like that in my membershipvideos because it is important if youstart positive reinforcement trainingthat you teach your horse not to mug youfor treats ok and she's actually therethat was interesting so she's tryingright there she didn't really want to beWatch at: 19:00 / 19:20in this area but she also did one of herother manoeuvres that she usually gets 3& 4 4 which is the back of I've beenteaching her to back up so she was likeI'll let me pull that card and see if Iget reinforced for that and I'm justgonna say no just stand quietly andyou'll get reinforced there ok good andthen maybe when I touch you okay nowWatch at: 19:20 / 19:40she's gotten a lot better since Istarted working with her just aboutgoing up and touching her one of thethings I want to look at when I go totouch her is that she's not flinching atall see how her skin was soft but in thebeginning I click was a little latethere I wanted to click right the momentI was touching her but in the past whenWatch at: 19:40 / 20:00I would go to touch her she'd shiverevery time there is always a little bitof a shiver so the fact that that out isout getting out now is really importantbecause a lot of times horses are uneasyabout being caught too if they'vealready been handled is because theydon't really feel good about beingWatch at: 20:00 / 20:20touched or what comes after you gettingthem out or maybe they don't feel goodabout getting haltered or maybe it's theriding that they don't feel good aboutand what happens after they getokay so that's something I've beenworking on is just expanding touch withher and making sure that I can touch herand it's not causing her any fear sothat's a little bit about how to get herWatch at: 20:20 / 20:40focus out on the big field going out andgetting your first connection with yourhorse using positive reinforcement ifyou have a horse who's normally hard tocatch and in our next training sessionthat we do in the next episode I'll talkabout the next phase which is halter IIWatch at: 20:40 / 21:00but we won't get quite there in thisepisode I think that we'll leave it atthatand so again I have more step-by-stepvideos in the membership library ifyou're interested and if you want tostart the positive reinforcementtraining it's really important to goabout it in a way that your horse isbalanced and staying patient around thefood and learns food manners that's theWatch at: 21:00 / 21:20biggest reason people have not foundsuccess using the clicker training soteaching something I call tree receivingmode and other behaviors are going to bereally important as you dive in on thisjourney with your horse if you'reinterested in starting so what we'regoing to do to end the session becausekind of the next phase would be the haltWatch at: 21:20 / 21:40ring right is we'll cover that in nextthe next episode but now I need to endthe session so with positivereinforcement it's really important thatI'm going to end the session kind of ina special way because I don't want thisto end up as punishment okayWatch at: 21:40 / 22:00meaning negative punishment meaning I'mtaking away something like her favoritetoy okay because remember the negativeis just a subtraction sign basically sonegative punishment would be you end thesession really abruptly so notice how IWatch at: 22:00 / 22:20asked her to target I do a behavior thenI'm going to click and then I'm going toleave her with food they're giving herkind of a jackpot again just the haypellets there and that way I can leaveand it functions as this end of sessionsignal so throughout my sessions withmystic even if we don't always show itWatch at: 22:20 / 22:40on camerathat is how I'm going to be ending thesession all right so with that let's goahead and head back up to the house Iwant to talk to you guys about a fewmore things about positive reinforcementand exploring what's possible so let'sgo back up and have a cup of tea as wediscuss thatWatch at: 22:40 / 23:00[Music]Watch at: 23:00 / 23:20[Music]Watch at: 23:20 / 23:40all right so hopefully you guys enjoyedthat training session with mystic what Iwant to talk to you guys about now iskind of understanding and the importanceof understanding the motivation so weWatch at: 23:40 / 24:00talked earlier about the differentmethods that we can use to get a horseto face up get that connection and helpwith the caching process and we talkedabout methods using positivereinforcement and negative reinforcementnow I really think that each has theirWatch at: 24:00 / 24:20purposeso I'm my message is not that negativereinforcement is bad and that we shouldavoid it really quite the oppositehorses need to learn to respond topressure and think through it andrespond versus react but I do see somany benefits of using positivereinforcement and with that I think thatWatch at: 24:20 / 24:40it's important to understand todifferentiate between what's themotivation and what's my perspective andhere's what I mean so I have heard sometrainers in the past maybe doing a demoor something and they're talking aboutteaching how to get the worst to face upthere in the round pen they're usingWatch at: 24:40 / 25:00negative reinforcement techniques findcool right and but how they'reexplaining it I think can cause someconfusion so how they explain it is thatthe horse is hooking on to them joiningoff with them to come and coming in tobegin a partnership with the person andWatch at: 25:00 / 25:20that they want the worst the horse'smotivation to be coming in to build apartnership rather than coming in for anibble of food so I've heard it put thatway quite a few times and I used to saythe same thing myself as well but nowWatch at: 25:20 / 25:40that I've learned the science behindmotivation and what our horses do Irealized that the horse coming in tobuild a partnership with us is really aperspective thatwe put on the motivation so when we'reusing negative reinforcement what'sWatch at: 25:40 / 26:00happening is that the horse feelspressure whether it's mental or physicalfrom being around the outside of theround pen so unless they're facing up tous or they have to face up to us inorder to stop feeling the mentalpressure of asking them to send out andmove their feet or the physical pressureeven of a rope tapping on and flingingWatch at: 26:00 / 26:20at them and things like that okayso they're learning that the human isthis safe place this place of comfortall right so that's the motivation butthen again the perspective we put on itis the horse is looking to me for apartnership is that right or wrong notnecessarily that perspective could beWatch at: 26:20 / 26:40totally valid to someone but there's adifference between perspective and thefact of motivation so when we're talkingabout the fact of motivation we'retalking about a universal law we'retalking about if I were to take my hatoff right now which I'm not going to doto show you guys my crazy hair but if IWatch at: 26:40 / 27:00were to do that I would take my hat offand if I were to drop it whether Ibelieve in gravity or I don't whether Ibelieve in that wall or I don'tthe hat is going to drop to the floorright now I could put all kinds ofdifferent perspectives on that butthere's this underlying law of gravitythat whether I believe in it or not it'sWatch at: 27:00 / 27:20still functioning and I can choose howwell I want to take advantage of it youknow if I know and understand it it'sthe same thing with our horses and whatmotivates them so negative reinforcementit's a law so you could also put aperspective on clicker training a horseto face up saying that they're lookingfor a partnership right so when mysticWatch at: 27:20 / 27:40starts looking to me and starts hookingon using the clicker training I couldsay okay now she's coming in and lookingfor a partnership she's looking to workwith me she's looking to engage she'slooking to get reinforced and figure outokay what do I need to do now to get itreinforced and so we're building apartnership okaytotally valid that's a perspective butWatch at: 27:40 / 28:00it's not the underlying motivation sohopefully that makes sense to you guysof not confusing motivation withperspective because it's the better thatwe understand motivation the moresuccess we're going to be finding withour horses and the better we're going tobe able to give them rewards that matterto them so I think that using theWatch at: 28:00 / 28:20perspective and the perspective only todescribe why a horse is coming in can bemisleading right so it can be misleadingwhether I'm talking about it withnegative or positive reinforcement aboutwhat the motivation actually is now thecool thing about positive reinforcementis that there's quite a few advantagesWatch at: 28:20 / 28:40of motivating your horse from thataspect whether you're working oncatching or any other behavior so here'swhy first of all positive reinforcementis pretty neat because it can increasewhat's called discretionary effort sodiscretionary effort is the level ofWatch at: 28:40 / 29:00effort that someone puts out that isn'trequired but goes above and beyondexpectationsso with horses and humans we see anincrease in discretionary effort whenwe're using positive reinforcement whenthey're working towards something theywant to acquire versus something theywant to avoid so because of that theWatch at: 29:00 / 29:20model of positive reinforcement isactually expanding to a lot ofbusinesses who see that the productivityof people increases when the employeesare motivated by positive reinforcementnow with negative reinforcement we seethe opposite and there's actually adecrease in discretionary effort becausepeople horses animals will do the bareWatch at: 29:20 / 29:40minimum to get by to avoid what theydon't want to happen to happen now whatcan also happen with negativereinforcement is that the animal orperson can do the behavior with a littlebit of underlying tones of resentmentbecause their motivation for doing it isto get away from something that theyWatch at: 29:40 / 30:00don't want to experience an aversivestimulus now another cool thing aboutpositive reinforcement is that I thinkthat it really kind of builds more of apathway for intrinsic motivation sointrinsic motivation is when someonedoes something just because it feelsgood to do itwhereas I think using negativeWatch at: 30:00 / 30:20forcement can kind of block intrinsicmotivation from forming so if you thinkabout you want to motivate your partnerto take the trash out all right so let'suse that example if you're motivatingthem through positive reinforcementhere's what it would look like it wouldlook like they take the trash out whenWatch at: 30:20 / 30:40they do maybe you write them a thank-younote and you just really express yourappreciation in some way their lovelanguage express your appreciation forthem just really helping you out andsupporting you and just how muchgratitude you have for that and how muchit means to you so that would be theWatch at: 30:40 / 31:00positive reinforcementand then what happens is that eventuallyyour partner could develop thisintrinsic motivation where they're likeyou know it just it feels good to notjust to be appreciated but to be ofservice to someone and to be able toWatch at: 31:00 / 31:20support someone you love that feels goodinside of me so that's intrinsicmotivation so you can see how positivereinforcement kind of opens the doorsfit on now I feel like with negativereinforcement and can be a little bit ofa block for the intrinsic motivation tooccur because when you're using negativereinforcement going back to our exampleWatch at: 31:20 / 31:40it would be like you nag your spouseover and over and over and in order toget the nagging the aversive stimulus tostop the partner finally takes out thetrashand that's when also we can see kind ofthis level of discretionary effort godown they do the bare minimum maybe feela little bit of resentment doing it andWatch at: 31:40 / 32:00then that kind of blocks the pathway forintrinsic motivation to form so that's alittle bit on realizing what themotivation is for doing a behaviorwhether it's with our animals or withpeople so my challenge for you guys andyour question of the day for thecomments below is to tell us about aWatch at: 32:00 / 32:20behavior that you want apartner significant other employeecoworkerchild whatever it is something that youwould like them to do and how maybeyou've used negative reinforcement inWatch at: 32:20 / 32:39the past and how you could take thosetones of or else out and how you couldinstead use positive reinforcement anddo a little experiment and I would becurious to see actually after about aweek or so of trying it what changes forWatch at: 32:39 / 33:00you it's pretty cool to see what happensand we kind of realized what theunderlying motivation is and try to makesure that there's really something in itfor the person and just expressing ourgratitude and appreciation I think it'spretty powerfulso anyways comment below and let me knowWatch at: 33:00 / 33:20what is the behavior you're wanting thehuman to do and what's a way that youcould use positive reinforcement insteadof negative reinforcement like maybe youhave in the past so let me know whatthat is and I will see you guys on thenext episode in the next episode we areWatch at: 33:20 / 33:39going to take a look at kind of the nextphase of catching or building thatconnection which is Hall Turing andafter this episode you probably won'tsee me work with the halter very muchbut I really wanted to include itbecause first of all I have a reallyneat way of going about teaching forexample a wild horse or which has someWatch at: 33:39 / 34:00negative connotations about the halterhow to teach the altering process andcreate some feel-good emotions about itand also the halting process was a majorpain point for me a frustration withmistake where I felt like I was justreally stuck and I was frustrated and itwas like every day the halter was thisWatch at: 34:00 / 34:20new thing she had never seen before andI couldn't figure it out until I didfigure it out and I'm gonna share withyou guys what I learned what message weshould be getting from our frustrationand how to use something called theprocess of shaping and approximations toWatch at: 34:20 / 34:40guide our horses through through thatfrustration into understanding so that'swhat to expect in the next episode makesure you hit the subscribe button belowif you haven't already and a little bailnext to it if you want to be sure to benotified when the next episode isreleased and then finally if you want toWatch at: 34:40 / 35:00learn about mystics journey and evenmore detail and about more aboutpositive reinforcement and how tointegrate that into the work with yourhorse then the Academy membership is agreat step for you to take with yourhorsemanship journey I would love to beyour coach on there but so if you'reinterested in that I've included thelink below and then finally if thisWatch at: 35:00 / 35:20episode resonated for you guys pleasetake a screenshot share it with someonethat you think would benefit from it Iwould love for your help and gettingthis message out to more people andchanging the world for our horses andwith that I will see you guys in thenext episode have a great rest of yourday and I'll see you soon

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  1. Your comment about making a comment and making others feel less alone really resonated with me. you've given me hope that together we can all do amazing things with positive reinforcement.

  2. Hello again Maddy,

    Every time I watch your videos, I feel so profound, I also dread watching them a little because this is such a different way from the way I have been, taught, raised and have trained dogs and horses (and let be honest people) before. To your question at the end, I have a 3-year-old and I have been struggling to get her to listen to me, we use both positive and negative reinforcement here, i.e. I thank her when she is listening well and comment on it and when she is not listening there are consequences. I mean she is three, lately going to bed has been a bit of struggle, of course, she doesn't want to go to bed. Her reward for going to bed is reading a bunch of stories, and we start with 3 and if she doesn't get ready I slowly take them away. Maybe I should start with none and let her earn them instead.

    It's amazing how almost threatening the idea of changing the way you relate to the outside world is with a different perspective, and how immediately it can feel like you have been doing it "wrong." I know this is a better way to work through things with your horse, from all the reading I have done getting my masters in business. Yet I still find myself doing many of the things I have always done.

    Thank you as always for your wonderful video. certainly, a lot to think about.

  3. MOTIVATION! My biggest behavior problem! Not with a horse but ME! I have very little motivation to do things and it drives me crazy! I say to myself, "Ok tomorrow I'm gonna get up early go feed my kids (horses) and then go for a ride!" Sounds great right? Well morning comes and I just say "Oh the heck with it I'll do it tomorrow" and we all know about tomorrows; they just never come. I have learned from you in this short time about breaking things down into steps to get a change but I'm having a hard time with the first step! Any hints?

  4. I am enjoying the discussion on positive vs. negative reinforcement insofar as working with horses is concerned. I've heard you mention Monty Roberts in another video and wondered if you ascribe the PICNIC philosophy that he discusses which is basically Positive Instant Consequences or Negative Instant Consequences? I recently adopted (5 days ago!) a Mustang from the BLM Wild Horse & Burro Adoption program and I am trying to "catch" this 5 year old recently gelded horse. He's very shy and standoffish, and I am wanting to try this method of positive reinforcement. I thank you for your comprehensive videos and I will be joining your membership as well. I've started many horses in my day, but never a wild one and so this adventure is exciting.

  5. Ack… I forgot to mention that I am sharing this video on my Facebook Group page, Bitterroot Horse Network as there were several people in the Bitterroot Valley, Montana who adopted a Mustang from the BLM project and we all are sort of trying to figure out how to get going with our new horses.

  6. This series is wonderful Maddy. You have shown me how well positive reinforcement/clicker training works. (I was at your first Wild Horse Retreat) so now I want to prove to the young trainers working at our ranch it's value. What video from the membership library would be the most effective? I can't wait to follow your Mystic Project. You continue to knock down status quo and break boundaries. Thank you.

  7. Fantastic discussion of motivation behind negative reinforcement and positive reinforcement and how it can either block or lead to intrinsic motivation! I now see how negative reinforcement (pressure/release) has ultimately blocked my geldings intrinsic motivation. Will be using play and positive reinforcement to reignite it. Can also see how my own intrinsic motivation has been blocked by negative conditioning – wow. Thank you Maddy!!

  8. Oh here's mine;
    We moved here to Arizona in 2006, MUCH against my wanting to. For YEARS I "nagged and complained". It seemed like I was talking to a brick wall.
    SOOOO, I decided I'd just stop saying anything about moving back to Washington. I simply went about life day after day doing other things. TONIGHT my husband said he can't wait to move back and how much he hates Arizona. Maddy, had we of not been in the car, I'm absolutely positive I'd have fainted from total shock. I'm certain I about broke my neck when it snapped around to look at him on udder uncertainty on if I'd heard him correctly.

  9. I am so enjoying this. I just caught your channel and I have trained dogs for years using clicker and every other means of training. I was frustrated when I went to train my Arab because the training videos I was watching didn't work with a smart, sensitive high endurance horse. I was talking to one of my dog training friends and she said, "just train her like you would your dogs." So I did. It was an amazing breakthrough. She turned in to an amazing horse that really did partner with me. We were doing a lot of the things you are doing in this video. I wish I had access to your videos 18 years ago when I was starting her!

  10. It's so interesting to know that small and subtle movements mean so much to horses. You miss it if you don't know horses' behavior patterns. Thanks!!

  11. You lost my interest when in your introduction you took the time to be negative about other methods and followed up by stating your positive way of training is the better. I suggest you let results speak for themselves if you believe in what you say. I will go elsewhere as a result


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