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Watch at: 00:00 / 00:00:20I don't think mark needs much of anintroduction here but he is the owner ofmr. salt water tank comm also is thecreator and star of mr. salt water tankTV and a co-author of six books I thinkit's six six books so without furtherado mark gonna be talking today it'sabout rolling the dice and how toWatch at: 00:20 / 00:40quarantine fish successfully in coraland coral and coral all right let's givemore great thanksI keep standing over there I want to sayit over here that's gonna screw up todayalright everyone seems to be doing okaythank you all for showing up on aSaturday morning the 9:00 a.m.talk I realize some of you may bestruggling here to be here but againWatch at: 00:40 / 01:00thanks for being here it means a lot forme to come out and meet you allI've run a show on YouTube called mr.saltwater tank TV any of you heard of ita couple of made more videos I know ifanyone is reefer and knows how to editvideo come talk to me I'd like to hireyouso anyone not heard of it that's okayWatch at: 01:00 / 01:20anyone here only because the vendor Hallis an open and you have nowhere else tobeyou can raise your hand you won't beshamed it's alright so I have a littlewebsite called mr. salt water tank calmrun a show on YouTube called mr. saltwater tank TV I had this crazy idea in2009 in the middle of this thing calledthe Great Recession that I should startWatch at: 01:20 / 01:40a show about saltwater tanks andspending money on saltwater aquariumswhy not had nothing else to do I knewhow to shoot I knew how to edit I likedbeing on camera so I started makingshows this took off started growing thenI did crazy idea of writing some booksbecause people might want to learn abouttheir tanks written a series of booksanything on how to set up a saltwaterWatch at: 01:40 / 02:00tank how to deal with that pesky thingcalled algae outbreaks all the way inthe quarantine Ian fish pre travelplanning because some of you like totravel like those of you from the UK getout of the country see different placesand then everyone's favorite topicmoving and upgrading your saltwater tankhere's a hint if you have to move yourtankthe only reason to move it is to upgradeWatch at: 02:00 / 02:20it it's a great time to upgrade how manyof you would love the idea of a biggertank everyone okay let's do a poll whohas a tank 30 gallons or less okay 30gallons to 100 gallonsyou don't have a tank Jerry hundred to250 all right 250 to 500 okay fiveWatch at: 02:20 / 02:40hundred to a thousand anyone have over athousand gallon tankbesides Jerry a couple of your haul bighow big is the tank 1700 immune thetable sir you're raising it 1,500gallons not leaders okay sounds likeWatch at: 02:40 / 03:00yeah I got a ten thousand liter tanksomeone else in the back okay so bigtanks anyone over a two thousand gallontank anyone over five thousand gallontank anyone just own a public aquariumyou basically own a public this guyWatch at: 03:00 / 03:20someone's pointing to you but you'relike no I mean raised me alright so ifyou want to move your tank it's a greattime to upgrade everyone's favoritetopic so then that grill started growingout one day and someone said I want youto build me tank that grew and then Iget to fly around the country and docrazy things like take homes like thisthat are slightly outdated that may be aWatch at: 03:20 / 03:40good look for Nevada not for the rest ofthe country take it from this to thisthese people came with me they which iswith the absolute the best idea theirfirst word of advice the firstinstructions to the interior designerwas the fish tank has to be the focus ofthe first story of the house absolutelythat's the only reason to gut the houseWatch at: 03:40 / 04:00is to put in a saltwater tank and ofcourse everyone needs a fish room aswell this is sitting right underneaththe tank and then along the way I've gotto do some very fortunate things whichis be asked back to clients this is atwo hundred and five gallon tank put onthe second story of a condo inWashington DC that was almost dropped bythe movers there's hint if you have toWatch at: 04:00 / 04:20move your tank movers are a great thingto use because if they drop it it'stheir problem they get to buy you a newone and if they ask you like no it's twohundred gallon tank it was a 500 gallontank and then you wanted the best anywayyou get the ideaso we took this tank he built a streamhome and we put in an 800-gallon systemWatch at: 04:20 / 04:40with this dream total dream system thetank and the room down below and thenmen do a couple of tanks this is theonly tank that I service in NashvilleTennessee most of my clients arehobbyist like you all so I'm notnecessarily doing with the rich andfamous who don't want anything to dowith their tanks and yes I realized noteveryone wants a big tank here's a 90Watch at: 04:40 / 05:00gallon tank that I put on the secondstory of a home in between threebedrooms for his sons because the dadhad the great idea that if I put in afish tank my kids will help me serviceit those of you with kids are laughingand those of you without kids are likethat's a good idea ask the people whoWatch at: 05:00 / 05:20are laughing how that gothis system was so successful he calledme one day and he said mark come tear itdown after I peeled myself off the floorI'm like doc what why it's like it'sjust too easyit's not a challenge I'm ready to moveon so I show up to his house his wifeopens the door and the first thing shesays is this was not my idea I told himWatch at: 05:20 / 05:40not to do it like all right so I endedup tearing this system down because itwas just quote too easy so along the waygot to learn lots of things got to learnmake a couple mistakes which I'm goingto show you today so that you guys andgals don't have to make them how manylady reefers in the room let me checkfor that more okay this is good everyWatch at: 05:40 / 06:00time I talk there's more and more handswe need more ladies in the Hobby bringyour friends single guys in the roomokay I'm not going thereall right so what is quarantinequarantine if we look it up in thedictionary the actual definition is astrict isolation imposed to prevent theWatch at: 06:00 / 06:20spread of diseases okay that's greatwhat does that mean in realitystandpoint well it means that sometimeseven I make mistakes in 2012 I was inLos Angeles California giving a talkabout some topic or other and someoneasked me at the end they said do youquarantine your fish I said no I don'tWatch at: 06:20 / 06:40quarantine my fish I've never had aproblem why would I do that two monthslater I get to go on YouTube in front ofthe wholeand say I messed up $1500 where the fishare dead in two days because I didn'tquarantine great here's a hint I don'trecommend doing that it's not a lot ofWatch at: 06:40 / 07:00fun but I did it and I wanted to makesure that everyone understood themistake that I made so that you don'thave to do itI lost $1,500 for the fish in two daysthey just literally just peeled died infront of my eyes including the clownfishthat I raised from about an inch thatthe five inches was gone yeah not a lotof fun again I don't recommend it soWatch at: 07:00 / 07:20some people say hey it's never happenedto me why would I be concerned why wouldi quarantine something and to them I saylook I'm almost 40 years old I've neverbeen in a car wreck why should I wear aseatbelt why don't need car insuranceit's never happened to me so the wholeidea is to manage your risk I hope itnever happens to you it's not fun learnWatch at: 07:20 / 07:40from my mistakes but I'm going to teachyou today how to quarantine thingsbecause part of the reason I didn'tquarantine in the beginning was becauseI thought it was really hard it waspeople told me all it's just better ifyour fish go in the tank they're gonnadie anyway don't do it just put them inthere and see what happens so how manyof you are coral people over fish peopleWatch at: 07:40 / 08:00you like your corals better than yourfishoh come on everyone is lying everyonelikes coral more than fish how many ofyou like your fish more than your coralusually it's the other way aroundfish people are like yeah they're okaytrue story decline with the big 800gallon system I showed you the firsttank I built to me he said I want tofish in this tank because it takes awayWatch at: 08:00 / 08:20space for coral all rightso we're gonna start with everyone'sseemingly not favorite topic coral let'stalk about quarantine in your coralcoral diseases do not have to be part ofowning a saltwater tank even if you're asoft coral portion person you likelywould look at this and go that's prettygood looking how many soft coral peopleWatch at: 08:20 / 08:40in the room how many SBS haters like Ican't stand SPS there's a one guyI'll be over here usually it's like thesps people or the haters there's likemore than one that's alright alrightnothing wrong with soft gross nothingwrong with SPS so you'd like to keepWatch at: 08:40 / 09:00choral diseases out you'd also probablylike to keep this stuff out anyone knowwhat this isbesides algae process right it's got alot easier to manage but still if youcould keep this stuff out of your tankabsolutely do it so let's talk aboutthose of you that are 35 or olderWatch at: 09:00 / 09:20remember this moviewhat are you all good at sewing allright so what are the three there arethree big coral diseases you're likelygoing to bump into so let's go throughthese Acropora you need flatwormsalso known as a EF w coral eating newWatch at: 09:20 / 09:40tube ranks and then red bugs how many ofyou have had at least one of thesediseases three of them had two or morehow many have had all three and youlived to tell about it alright so let'stalk about everyone's least favoritesubject first unless you're a soft coralperson this is where you get to sit backand laugh and go see I don't do SPS IWatch at: 09:40 / 10:00don't have that problem this is thatpesky little bugger called an AcroporaEB flat worm as you can tell this is adime this is these guys are gals arequite small and they blend into theflesh of the coral not easy to see thatis zoomed way in they're really hard tosee on your coral the dead giveaway ifyou have them as if you see these typeWatch at: 10:00 / 10:20of things the dreaded bite marks youwake up in the morning you see that andit's like you lose ten years off of yourlife if you're an SPS person so what dowe know about a creep or eating a flatworms and how is that going to help uswith quarantine the most recent datathat I found said that the eggs takeabout 21 days to hatch and the juvenilescan swim between other corals and theyWatch at: 10:20 / 10:40live up to seven days with no hostsgreat right there's seemingly a littlebit invincible pests that no one wantsto do it now here's the thing about acrow for eating flat worms I have seenplenty of thriving SPS tanks with AKreporting flat worms now that doesn'tmean that I'm saying if you should getthem and it's no big dealpoint is some guys say I got themWatch at: 10:40 / 11:00immediately tore down my hostsome started over and threw away all thesps you don't have to do that I've seenplenty of good ones the owners tell mehow they manage it which I'm going totalk to you about today so we're gonnacome back to these I'm not going to divein a lot at the moment the next one thatwe're going to talk aboutzoanthids now we're the soft coralpeople in the room there's not that manyI'm still like okay there's a one guy inWatch at: 11:00 / 11:20the back again two people in the backthey're always hiding nothing wrong withthatthese little like a better terms notfriendly organisms these are a went andeating new tube rinks they are hard tosee because you can see this is a wentthat is green and this guy is greenbecause when they eat it they become thecolor of what they're eating Peston youwant to watch for as you purchased coralWatch at: 11:20 / 11:40and you're looking at putting them intoyour system here's one off by itselfthis is what the eggs look like ifyou're buying a frag of zoanthids yousee this type of stuff those are eggsthat will tell you that it hasn't here'sa hint don't buy itput it back walk away montiporaWatch at: 11:40 / 12:00Capricornus one of my least favoritecorals because they grow really welluntil these little buggers get on themthese are montipora ET neuter Brinkslook fairly similar to those Oh ain'tthat even new to Brinks not things thatyou want to deal with I'm just showingyou these so if you purchase a coral youcan look at them most most of time themontecore eating do to bring show up onthe underneath so turn your Fraga overWatch at: 12:00 / 12:20look and you can see these littleboogers and if you want if you see themagainwalk away there's plenty of month beforein the world if you're anywhere nearTennessee I'll come and give you all youwant it grows like a weed and then theselittle boogers red bugs really peststhat I have had in one of my tanks I dida show on and if you want to know how todo with them not a lot of fun hard toWatch at: 12:20 / 12:40see but if you have a SPS coral itdoesn't have a lot of politics tensionthis can be one sign they actually havered bugs on them okay they can barely beseen with the naked eye again thegiveaway is that there's no or littlepolyp extension they tend to hang outmostly on smooth skin Acropora you softWatch at: 12:40 / 13:00coral people are like okay we've gottento wreck rapport diseases and only onesoft coral disease I'm liking what I'mseeing so I'm talking about quarantinetoday how do we keep these things out ofyour system when it comes to coral peststhe easiest way is to dip your coral howmany of you dip your coral everyone'shand how many of you don't have anycoral there should be a correlationWatch at: 13:00 / 13:20between the people that didn't raisetheir hand okay all righthow many of you heard of Bayer this wasnew all right yep so this is a somewhatnew actually dip through this people useit's an insecticide for your yard we'reputting it on our corals it works reallywell I also used Julian's friends twoWatch at: 13:20 / 13:40little fishies revived and then I'vebeen using this phone number in productcalled the dip recently or works reallyreally well for dipping coral anyincoming coral to my system gets dippedwithout fail they get dipped so if youdo nothing else if you take nothing awayfrom the coral section of this talkstart dipping your coil if you're notWatch at: 13:40 / 14:00doing it very easy way to help manageyour risk doesn't take much effort ifthe frag dies in the dip it was probablygoing to die anyway I've yet to kill afrag when I dipped it alright so somepeople say well mark why should we dipthem why should we even quarantine thembecause you can just use a fish andthey'll take care of the coral pests andyou covered this is a Mellon heiressWatch at: 14:00 / 14:20wrasse also known as Hogan's wrasse howmany of you had these in your tankscouple of you how many of you have themfor the idea of pest controljust curious okay they're actually verygood at eating little copepods anylittle creepy crawly things in your tankhere's the catch with these guys theywill not eat it off the coral I'veWatch at: 14:20 / 14:40talked plenty people that have a chromeeating flat worms in their tanks theyhave millionnaire asses like this andthey will tell me they will not eat themoff the coral so what they do is once aday they take the turkey baster and theygo blast the coral and all the fish gonuts because they know that's feedingtime all the active or poor eating flatworms any other nudibranch that theymight have go flying off the coral andthen these guys come in and eat them soWatch at: 14:40 / 15:00one there's no guarantee that they'reactually gonna take it off the coral tobegin with I've seen plenty of peoplethat had these guys and they don't evereat anything off coral or even off rocksso relying on these guys surely purelyfor disease prevention not always a fullthing because as those of you that haveenough fish you've worked with enoughWatch at: 15:00 / 15:20animals every animal is different theymight not even be interested and whatyou're putting them and putting in frontof themI also don't like putting these guys inyour coral quarantine tank because theycan't harbor fish diseases which cancarry over into your display tank forother fish I'll talk about that later onI'm curious how many of you haveseparate systems just for quarantine incoral couple of you good I thought theWatch at: 15:20 / 15:40number would be lowered that's good tosee all right so let's go through acoral quarantine tank how many of youwould like to have another tank in yourhouse here's a hint here's a really goodreason you know honey I really want tomake sure there's no diseases in thishouseholdI need another fish tank she should sayyes and if not you can be like you'reWatch at: 15:40 / 16:00not concerned about the welfare of mychildren I mean my other children notthe most important children the ones Ilove just as much as in any way okay sothis is a completely separate systemfrom your display tank I'm sorry tobreak her heart but if you tie in yourfrag tank or your what you're gonna callyour coil quarantine tank into yourWatch at: 16:00 / 16:19display tank that's not reallyquarantine diseases can still getthrough in the water column that canblow into your tank so it's got to becompletely separate again this is anexcuse for you to get any other fishtank everyone should be happy about thatand the best way to set it up is toclone it just like your display tank nowthat doesn't mean that you need a 500gallon coral quarantine tank along withWatch at: 16:19 / 16:40your 500 gallon display tank but if youcan do that you've married a veryspecial person reef capable lighting youneed to have lighting that will growcoral strong lighting for that coralquarantine tank here's a big hint if youmatch your lighting near call aquarantine tank it will make thetransition of your corals from yourquarantine tank into your display tankWatch at: 16:40 / 17:00very very easy so they feel you use thesame lighting it will help you out a lotwater chemistry is important I'm goingto talk to you about fish quarantine ina minute where water chemistry isn't asimportant but in a coral quarantine tankyou've got to maintain it like you doyour usual display tank so maintain thesame alkalinity calcium levels all thatstuff needs to be monitored you can'tWatch at: 17:00 / 17:20just walk away from it so much as a fishquarantine system they are very muchmore intensive in terms of a hands-ontype of approach which is okay for a lotof you because you love your coralsbetter than your fish flow is also keyyou're going to need it again like Isaid match your tanks parameters you'rejust play tank as close as possible inyour cornKoral quarantine tank it will help youWatch at: 17:20 / 17:40out immensely all right ideally thereare no fish in this system because thefish diseases could transfer into yourdisplay tank so don't leave fish inthere you may want some nutrients youcan dose nutrients in your system don'tput a fish I recommend you holdeverything for sixty days if you canWatch at: 17:40 / 18:00bear it I know you bought thathomewrecker frag you really want to getin your display tank and show it offhold onto it for sixty days in thatcoral quarantine tank you want toprotect your coral investment the lastthing you want is we have a display tanklike this is to have a pest get in thereeven though I said some pests aren't asbad as they seem if you can avoid themby all means avoid them it's not funWatch at: 18:00 / 18:20alright so let's go back to fish sinceamazingly either you all seem to likefish more than Coral nothing wrong withthat why would you ever quarantine afish well Wow no one thought that wascute I thought everyone would thinkthat's cute all right if it was a catWatch at: 18:20 / 18:40everyone would be like oh all right getthe fish used to you this is one of thebest reasons to quarantine besidesdisease prevention which I'll talk aboutin a minute this is a time to go on aone-on-one date with your fish all rightimagine you're going on a one-on-onedate with someone and the first thingthey do is put you in a room with allthese people and you get to compete withWatch at: 18:40 / 19:00everyone else in the room who'sinterested in that unless you're thecoolest guy in this room you're likenope I'm not interested in that sothere's lots of other fish in therethere's lots of competition when thefish is in the quarantine tank it's youand them maybe another fish or two theyget to know you you get to know them oneof the biggest reasons is and one of theWatch at: 19:00 / 19:20biggest sections for they can get toknow you and you get to know them it'sfood so imagine this we take you to aforeign country completely differentplace you've never been there beforeyou're on your own you don't speak thelanguage you sure as heck don't eat whatthey eat because you don't even know howto find food they throw you into thestrange place and then they put this infront of you that's what my fish buddy'sWatch at: 19:20 / 19:40wife feeds them I don't understand whatanyway a little different so they putthis strange food in front of you andthen you say eat that who wants to eatthatexactly no one so hewhen you purchase your fish I'm eitheryour online retailer or your local fishstore how many of you buy local how manyWatch at: 19:40 / 20:00of you buy online no one else buysanything okay interesting if you're afinancial advisor in the room go talk tothose people they don't spend any moneyso here's hint when you buy your fisheither from your online vendor or yourlocal vendor ask them what they feedtheir fish and buy some of that foodbecause the fish has already seen itWatch at: 20:00 / 20:20there's another hint you should buy afish that's already eating food ask theretailer to feed the fish I'm realizingif you're buying online you can't askthem you just have to trust them but askthem what they feed and then buy some ofit that way the fish is used to seeingthat food and will help them make thetransition into your life by feeding itsomething that it's already familiarWatch at: 20:20 / 20:40with it will help you a lot so here'swhat a coral quarantine tank looks likelet's look at it from the standpoint offish getting used to you not much inthis tank right there's too littleanthias over here they're hanging outtogether there's no one else in the tankvery easy for them to get to know youyou get to work with them there's nocompetition there's no aggression issuesWatch at: 20:40 / 21:00this is great especially for shyeranimals like sunburst anthias nowcontrast that with putting your fish inyour display tank and it's feeding timeand you go have at itwelcome to the neighborhood this is mytank you imagine being new you don'tknow anyone you're not used to thesurroundings you don't even know if youWatch at: 21:00 / 21:20like the food and you get this thrown atyou strange food strange fish fish goingberserk oh and they have to decide ifthey actually want to eat anythingamongst try not to get piledrive by awhole bunch of hungry fish so what do ifeed in when i'm quarantine you fishthis is what I feed I feed brine shrimpnow the footnote here is brine shrimpdoesn't really have all that muchWatch at: 21:20 / 21:40nutritional value I feed them thatbecause I found it can help them geteating faster if I can get live Rynethen I will absolutely bring it in tohelp that fish start eating faster I'vehad very good luck with LRS fish frenzyor their reef frenzy either of these anyof these LRS foods takes about one maybetwo at most three days and the fish willWatch at: 21:40 / 22:00absolutely destroy it so I want to feedthem high quality food and get itcan feed the food that they are alreadyused to eating great start him on thatand then transition him to the foodthat's you feed anyone grow their ownlive food to feed their fish you'rehardcore of course you've been everymagnet there ever was all right a coupleof you as well all right so what'sanother reason to quarantine your fishWatch at: 22:00 / 22:20besides fish disease get anything usedto know them who knows what this is goldflake angel right fish there's acomedian in every crowd very good if youthought that was a quarrel you've hadway too many drinksI can't frag it so another reason toWatch at: 22:20 / 22:40quarantine fish fish on the fringe theseare fish that if you looked at themonline they would be resave with cautionwhat does that mean it means fish thatmay eat your coral may nip on your coralmade invertebrates things like that soyou put them in quarantine and then youput that coral in front of them and yougo let's see how you two get along casein point this is a gold flake angel IWatch at: 22:40 / 23:00had one of these in my tank for twoyears he was happy never touched a thingand then I moved remember when I saidyou move you should get a bigger tankthat's what I did I moved four times infour years and got a bigger tank everytime it worked greatso gold flake angel was in my 375 gallonWatch at: 23:00 / 23:20tank didn't touch a thinghappiest can be left every SPS LPS softcorals alone when I move the tanks I putit in a quarantine tank to quarantineand begin just to be safe because I wasbuilding a new system Mike hold foreversystem so I put in a quarantine tank Isaid okay well you haven't seen coralfor about a month let's see how youbehave now take a big ol nice meat coralWatch at: 23:20 / 23:40put it in the tank and he looks at itlooks at me and says thank you turnsaround and bamm-bamm starts nipping onthat thing else like okay you have to goso are rehomed it imagine putting thatfish and your big display tank and youstart snipping your corals and now youhave to get it out how many of you arereally good at catching fish on displaytanks if you want to come to TennesseeWatch at: 23:40 / 24:00and get one out of the tank that Ishowed you in the beginning let me knowI got this big old self in that killsanything that it sees triggerfish thisis another fish on the fringe type fishmorning to you coral but mate yourinvertebrates this is my crosshatchtrigger doesn't touch this thing in mytank in the quarantine tankI put in there I put a shrimp right inWatch at: 24:00 / 24:20front of it a big old cleaner shrimp andI just watched what does this guy gonnado didn't care not a problem nowremember every animal is different I hada person who watched my talk once theyimmediately went out and boughtthemselves a triggerfish put it in theirdisplay tank yes they didn't quarantineand immediately ate all 12 of theircleaner shrimp and they're like you saidWatch at: 24:20 / 24:40it was safe I was like no I didn't sayit was safe I said you should quarantineit but there you go you know you knowthat you have a shrimp killer so you canfind these things out before they getinto your display tank here's a hintit's really easy to catch a fish whenit's in a quarantine tank because youcan drain the water out and they havenowhere to go and you don't have todrain your display tank even little fishWatch at: 24:40 / 25:00non-expensive fish this is a mandaringetting them to eat see how theyinteract with you small fish big fishexpensive fish chief fish they're allimportant they all matter treat themthat way yes you want to protect yourinvestment with also your coral and yourfish diseases get in your tank it can bea really big problem much more fish thanWatch at: 25:00 / 25:20with coral which is good because peoplehere like coral Morton they had fishmore than Coral the big reason toquarantine your fish keep diseases outthis is a golden basket with ick solet's talk about the three big fishdiseases that you're most likely goingto run into now i quarantine fish forWatch at: 25:20 / 25:40clients when i build them a tank part ofwhat i do is get fish in for them cleanthem up and then ship them back out soI've been doing this now for I don'tremember how long these are the bigdiseases you're likely going to seefootnote I have not run into all thesediseases in tanks but this is whatyou're most likely going to run into youdon't have to be an expert on the fishdiseases keep your eye on mainly forWatch at: 25:40 / 26:00these first one is marine ich also knownas crypto Karen irritantsome people just call it crypto this isarguably the most common fish diseasethat's out there I would say that it isthen would probably agree with me onthat one been services tanks in theHouston area it's the one that mosthobbyists get wrong I'm cruising aroundWatch at: 26:00 / 26:20forums like reef - reef I see it all thetime what look my fish has it it's gotall these white spots I'll be put apicture or something like thisall these big pinhead type fish arespots on this fish that's the deadgiveaway that that's it now here's wheremost people get it wrong it's with itsWatch at: 26:20 / 26:40life cycle nick has a couple differentphases on it it starts on the fishthat's a parasitic phase they're calledtroph Anse at that part and notice itsays three to seven days after three toseven days those white spots fall offthe fish and the person gets back on theforum and says I didn't do anything andthe fish is cured and for those of youWatch at: 26:40 / 27:00that are here now and no not cured thedisease is simply fallen off the fishand will golaying on live rock somewhere in yourtank a hard surface and insist and startmultiplying and then after anywhere fromthree to twenty-eight days it will hatchout again and go attack the fish andeverything starts all overso most people say hey I didn't doanything or I put some garlic or someWatch at: 27:00 / 27:20magic elixir in my tank the fish doesn'thave the disease anymore because I don'tsee it on its body not necessarily trueas you all know now it simply has fallenoff the fish and it's waiting to comeback and do its thing now there's acatch to this there are documented casesof fish developing immunity to it orthey can just be carriers take but notWatch at: 27:20 / 27:40show it so just because the fish doesn'tshow any ich that it is it free so keepthat in mind they can still carry itthis is one of the reasons that peoplesay well it is always an assault watertank I'm going to talk to you about thatlater on in the talk to address some ofthe myths that are out there it's notnecessarily true so the next big oneyou're likely going to run into this isWatch at: 27:40 / 28:00what I ran into in my display tank Ihope you never get it this is the in myopinion the most effective killing fishdisease out there marine velvet also nono velvet or odenie amidst a commonnames for it it is a very very effectivekiller and I call it the silent killerbecause unless you're fortunate youWatch at: 28:00 / 28:20don't see it now why do I say unlessyou're fortunate because most the timeyou just don't see it your fish juststart dying that's what happened to methey look totally fine they had no signsof any diseases on them and the next daythey were gone I woke up day one sixanthias and a couple other fish werejust gone nowhere to be seen or I happento find a carcass like they're eatingWatch at: 28:20 / 28:40yesterday today they're dead why and Isay you're lucky if you do see it andhere'swhy this is my clownfish that I told youabout that race from one inch at thispoint she was dying I watched her die onthe sand bed she was about five inchesat this point I consider myself luckyonly because I saw the disease on thefish and then I knew what they had so ifWatch at: 28:40 / 29:00your fish are just dropping like fliesyou don't see anything of it if you seeit the sad thing is there's nothing youcan do at this point it's too late thefish is going to die you can try totreat it you can try to freshwaterdifferent it's not arguably the bestthing to do is forget to euthanize itbut if you do see at least you know whatyou had again I don't recommend that youWatch at: 29:00 / 29:20go through this it's not a funexperience much like it could has a verysimilar lifespan so you can see it canspend as little as 12 hours on the fishand then it falls off and it goesthrough its lifespan of falling offinsisting multiplying hatching out andgoing and attacking fish kind of cruelthing with ick and velvet is they fallWatch at: 29:20 / 29:40off the fish at night a lot of timesyour fish sleep in caves sleeps in yourrock work so whether they're asleep doesthese falls off in them when they hatchback out the fish is right theresleeping that's going very easily find ahost the same thing and start all overagainso I have seen both of these diseases inquarantine and unfortunately one of themWatch at: 29:40 / 30:00in my display tank the one that Ihaven't seen but still to be concernedaboutit's called Brooke nella this is alsoknown as the clownfish disease this wasa very common disease back when we usedto import wild caught clownfish Ibelieve the most recent data that I sawis that we're not importing any wildclownfish are very very little I havenever seen this disease I only say thatWatch at: 30:00 / 30:20because I don't want you to discount itsomething you're not going to see stillkeep an eye on it you may run into thisand again with common with wild caughtclowns you likely have wild or excuse mecaptive bred clowns still need to knowwhat it is so keep an eye on it it looksin a way like velvet the fish kind ofhas this dusty appearance to it not anWatch at: 30:20 / 30:40effective killer like velvet but stillsomething to be keep an eye out that'swhat you're going to see and your fishquarantine tank that's what you want tokeep an eye out for it gets a big onedon't be surprised if you run into thatone velvet and then Brooke nellaso other ones but I'm not going to diveWatch at: 30:40 / 31:00into those part of you for time andpartially because those are the onesyou're likely going to run into the hintif you run into them and Quarantine fityourself lucky because then you cantreat it in quarantine you don't have todo with it in your display tank try tokeep it out now that you know what tolook for let's talk about how to run aquarantine system here's a hintWatch at: 31:00 / 31:20you don't quarantine in your displaytank you just flank take is for displaypurposes not for treatment or quarantineand purposes remember I talked aboutyour coral quarantine tank needs to be aseparate system same with your fishquarantine system this is a house Ivisited once this guy had this littletank here you can see over here he'sWatch at: 31:20 / 31:40plumbed into his main system water comesin and then drains down into a sump likethis is my quarantine tank it's like notso much not a quarantine systemsomething the disease can get from hereinto there we just talked about coraldiseases how they could migrate samewith fish diseases so you need aseparate system again another reason foryou to have another saltwater tank inWatch at: 31:40 / 32:00your house again it's plumbed into thissome not a quarantine all right here'sthe good news it needs to be completelyseparate for your display tank but youdon't need a lot of space to run themand talking people about quarantinethey're like I don't have the time or Idon't have the space to quarantine youdon't need tons of space at all toquarantine fish unless you like toquarantine big animals like Jerry whoWatch at: 32:00 / 32:20thinks that it tang this this big iskind of small so a 20 gallon high tankworks really really well for aquarantine system especially for thoseof you that like smaller fish and fishsmaller than tanks my fish smaller than4 inches these work really really greatyou can probably find them one onCraigslist because there's lots of freshWatch at: 32:20 / 32:39water people who bail down to the Hobbythey're looking to get rid of it youprobably just go pick it up and take itoff their hands and while you're therejust remind them that salt water isbetter anyway 20 gallon high works forsmaller fish 55 gallon tanks were greatfor fish that are over 4 inches anotherthink you're very likely going to beWatch at: 32:39 / 33:00find on Craigslist it's four feet long 1foot wide how many of you have had thattank the 55-gallon tank about half theup everyone pretty much everyone has hadthat tank everyone's tootime with it it looked huge when you gotit and then once you started learningabout aquascaping like I can't doanything with 12 inches so it's time fora bigger tank yesWatch at: 33:00 / 33:2040 gallon breeder is a nice intermediatesize these work really well too lots ofreptile people have 40 gallon breedertanks so if you know any of those peoplethey might have one that would bewilling to loan you you don't need a lotof space here's a 40 gallon breeder tankin my fish room there's not much to itthose of you that I've followed me longenough those are those stripeys fromWatch at: 33:20 / 33:39Australia other Australians here yet nookay these guys very fun fish and thenone day they decided they would startdestroying my LPS coral so they got aremoved and now they're on display atthe Omaha zoo I mean anyone from Omahathere you go you can go see them they'recold water and display I wasn't visitedthem and was like you deserve what youWatch at: 33:39 / 34:00got you're in a good place you're notwith me anymore so there's not much toit let me walk you through this here'sone of my quarantine systems this is the20 gallon high tank there's not a lot inherefirst thing you're gonna see down herethese are just big old 2 2 3 4 inch PVCpieces elbows pieces of pipe they workWatch at: 34:00 / 34:20great because medications don't reactwith them they don't soak up diseasesand it gives a place for your fish tohide there's a little dude hanging outin there here's a hint when you need tocatch the fish put a net on one end ofthe tube and then remove it and the fishfalls right out into your net you can'tdo that on your display tankunfortunately we also have a lid on theWatch at: 34:20 / 34:40system because we want to keep fish inthey will jump out nothing is worse thana fish that's on 20mm day 29 ofquarantine it's about to go in yourdisplay tank you turn on the lights toput it in and it's on the floor hard asa rock fish jerky let me know how thatworks em you eatin it that's a littleWatch at: 34:40 / 35:00like strange if you ate your own fishbut anyway alright so we have a hang onback filter you don't need some fancyfilter to get this done you can buythese and look very likely your localfish store a big box store will likelyhave these hang on backs that's all youneed in terms of filtration there's nota lot there for a reason I'll talk aboutthat in a minuteyou do need a heater why do you want aWatch at: 35:00 / 35:20heater because you want to run this tankat an elevated temperature thatideas if you run the tank and elevatortemperature the data shows us thatdiseases like ich and velvet can speedthemselves along so you want toencourage their lifespan to speed up soyou can treat them and deal with themnow it's a bare bottom tank there's nosand why because we do not want to giveWatch at: 35:20 / 35:40those diseases ideally as much of aplace to Harbor themselves on a barebottom tank like this you clean the tankyou can wipe it down that is you'rewiping office any of those diseases likethe ich and the velvet we talked aboutwhen they're insisted so you don't wantst. in there for those of you that wantto keep sand burying fish I'll talkabout that in just a minute let's talkWatch at: 35:40 / 36:00about filtration for just a secondbiological filtration and yourquarantine tank is limited you noticethere's no st. in there there's no liverock in thereBBC pieces are not porous they don'tharbor a lot of nitrifying bacteria yourbio will filter that hang on back filteris about the most biological filtrationthat you're going to get in the tankWatch at: 36:00 / 36:20therefore you need to feed very verylightly it's very easy to send yournutrient levels in a quarantine tanksky-high so go easy on your food I'mwilling to bet that most people overfeed anyway when you're first gettingyour fish used to your food just feedthem a little bit putting more indoesn't mean that they're going to eatit then you get to suction it off thebottom of your quarantine tank lessWatch at: 36:20 / 36:40maintenance for you is fun so watch yournutrient levels you do need to betesting phosphate fish don't care aboutnitrate levels of what you need to beworried about you want to keep thoseideally under 20 fish have a lot morekind of tolerance for nitrates thanquarrel so if you can keep it down tothe level that's great it's very easy toWatch at: 36:40 / 37:00send them sky-high though when you overfeet so I said there's no saint in hereit's a bare bottom tank what about thosefish that need to sleep in sand likewrasses all you got to do is grab aTupperware a little bit of saying inthere they will jump into that thingit's actually a lot of fun because theydon't just dive straight in the tankinto the Seine and stop they'll diveWatch at: 37:00 / 37:20straight into the Seine and then theykind of burrow so you send them saidlike do circles in here they're do lapswhy they're burying themselves in thesand it's pretty cool to watch put oneof these in the sand drilling fish willbe happy it'll make them feel morecomfortable and help them transition toyour life now we talked about a heateryou want to keep your tankyour quarantine tank ideally 80 to 81Watch at: 37:20 / 37:40degrees Fahrenheit this is just yourfish quarantine not coral by the way forthose of you from the UK where you guyshave a measurement system that actuallymakes sense that's 26 to about 27degrees C never gets that warm and youdecay by the way alright so you want tospread diseases in law that's why we'redoing this we want to encourage thosediseases to go through their lifeWatch at: 37:40 / 38:00psychic wicker because the medicationsespecially with ick and velvet why isinsisted on the fish insisted on therock medications have no effect so wereally want to hit those diseases whenthey're off the fish by speeding up it'sheating up the tank or speeding alongthe disease and we get to attack themwhen they're vulnerablehit him on their down with teen youWatch at: 38:00 / 38:20don't need much lighting it doesn't haveto be sexy this is what we used to useon our saltwater tanks back in the 80swhen I started true story I had one ofthese over my 75 gallon tank and Idecided I wanted to see an enemy so Iwent to the local fish store and saidhey I want to see an enemy they said youneed stronger lighting I said great theysold me a black light those of you theyWatch at: 38:20 / 38:40don't know what that is you probablyhave been through college but they soldme a black light and we couldn't figureout why they seen enemies kept dying youdon't need a lot of light a simplefluorescent tube like this the butt clipon Humvee foe light with the you knowWatch at: 38:40 / 39:00big silver dome that we used to use forrefugium that will work great but you dowant lighting on your fish quarantinetank I don't recommend just relying onroom lighting the fish will come out inthe light you want to have a light overthem so encourages them to come out sothey can see the food they can startinteracting with you you can startinteracting with them true storyWatch at: 39:00 / 39:20I most recently quarantine my tusks thatis in my display tank and by the way hedoesn't touch anything he's a big baby Igot him in the this in my quarantinetank and the first week that I had him Iwould walk into the room and he wouldliterally just play dead he would hitthe deck at the bottom of the quarantinetank and sit there with his fins outlike this if you don't know where theWatch at: 39:20 / 39:40corn holler contest looks like they're abig rats to have these teeth these fangsthat hang out in their mouths they looklike they could rip your arm off biggestbaby in the world but over the course ofthe week me turning on the light him seememe seen him he understanding that I'mjust going to feed him large chunks ofLRS he became a very happy fish and nowinteracts with meso lighting is important on your courtWatch at: 39:40 / 40:00fish quarantine tankI didn't recommend you just rely on loomright on your room lights all right sowhat do we do with these guys theselittle bits of PVC pieces can you uselive rock yes you can I've talked toplenty of people who use live rock andtheir fish quarantine systems and theyWatch at: 40:00 / 40:20feel like it makes their fish transitionbetter you can do that get some liverock thing even dry rock like real reefrock you can put it in your tank andjust keep it dedicated for yourquarantine system that way it's it'sgoing to keep any diseases in yourquarantine tank so if you want to go therock route and you can go that route Ipersonally don't do it PVC pieces areWatch at: 40:20 / 40:40much easier for me they're easy tosterilize and they're easy to clean allright what do you do about establishingyour biological filter in yourquarantine tank because this is aquestion I get a lot people say well ifI have a quarantine tank I have to keepit running all the time even when Idon't have fish in itthe answer to that is absolutely not youcan tear down your quarantine tanksterilize it and start it again inliterally a day you do that by justWatch at: 40:40 / 41:00floating some sponge media in your sumpor in your display tank let it getpopulated with biological bacteria ornitrifying bacteria fill your quarantinetank and get into the right salinity andthe right temp take the sponge out putin your quarantine tank and instantlyyou started your biological filter inthere now that's assuming your displaytank is disease-free which it should beWatch at: 41:00 / 41:20because it's your display tank so youcan use your water from your displaytank to fill up your quarantine tankthose of you that's to do water changesyou need to fill your cutie just suckingout of your display tank put in yourquarantine tank very easy thing to dovery easy tap water is fine you don'thave to use ro/di water for your fishquarantine system get some tap waterWatch at: 41:20 / 41:40dechlorinate it it works just fine forfish quarantine you can use the oldcheapy salt for a fish quarantine theydon't care what the calcium levels arethey don't care about magnesium theycertainly don't care about traceelements so if you want to use thecheapy salt that'll work fine again yousleeve the sponge or the bio oil filterin your sump to help seed yourWatch at: 41:40 / 42:00quarantine tank now some people say wellI have a quarantine tank I have ahospitalthink they're the same thing becauseyou're going to treat in quarantine justlike you're going to observe inquarantine so don't think you need aseparate system to treat and a separatesystem of quarantine they're the samethingso how long do we quarantine our fish 30days is my minimum how did that come upWatch at: 42:00 / 42:20with that number from the life cycle thediseases you're most likely going to seethese this disease life cycle of ittakes about 30 days so your quarantinefor 30 days that's how I do it againmost people mess up the disease fallsoff the fish they think it's free ifyou're quarantined in the fish afterthree to seven days if the disease fallsWatch at: 42:20 / 42:40off it's not clean and ready to go inyour display tank again same with ickit's about 30 days so I've got a coupleminutes remaining here let's talk aboutsome quarantine you missed that I runinto some people say well I don'tquarantine because quarantine is toohard on the fish I suggest otherwiseespecially when it comes to helping theanimals transition to your tank you setWatch at: 42:40 / 43:00up your quarantine tank correctly ifyou're thinking that it's too small of atank here's a hint go get a bigger oneno fish has ever complained about havingtoo much space you can set up thequarantine tank correctly make them feelcomfortable get them used to your foodyour routine and that way when they gointo your display tank they have thebest chance best foot forward becausethey're a conditioned animal ready to goWatch at: 43:00 / 43:20some people say well egg is in everysingle tank out there and a lot of timesthey say that because they don't see thedisease and then it pops up again I'veseen plenty of people that have theirfish headach two to three maybe fiveyears ago and then something happenedand all of a sudden all the fish havocagain why well they say well it's justin the tank it's in every single tankWatch at: 43:20 / 43:40count they're not necessarily true ifyou start a tank with dry Rock dry sandyour quarantine the fish and youprophylactically treat the fish againstick in the right ways how could ithave that disease it couldn't have comeinto the rock couldn't have come in onthe sand that the fish is free of thedisease isn't just gonna drop out on thesky I don't have vacant my tank IWatch at: 43:40 / 44:00started with live rock or dry sand dryrock prophylactic Lee treated all thefish I don't have egg so it doesn't haveto be in every tank it could be but itdoesn't have to be certainly if yourquarantine you can keep it out of yoursystem and then some people will saywell they're just gonna fight it offnaturallyokay maybe the question then is do youWatch at: 44:00 / 44:20feel lucky you get a new fish you put itin your tank it doesn't know your systemit doesn't know your fish maybe it'sgonna get picked on by something thatdoesn't know if it wants to eat yourfood and you're basically saying alrightsurvival to finish let's see how you doit maybe they make it maybe they don'tif they don't they died maybe theybrought in the disease then you get toWatch at: 44:20 / 44:40ask yourself every new fish that you putin in this system is it going to getthat disease imagine getting your tankstarted you're building your dreamsystem you get a disease in there andyou just said everyone's just gonnafight it off naturally these guys thatare in there they had it they don't haveit anymore then you get the opportunityto purchase your dream fish triggerfishwrasse whatever it is angelfish maybeWatch at: 44:40 / 45:00you spend $2,000 on the fish and you getto go I hope you're gonna fight it offlet's see here we go maybe get luckymaybe not likely not something that youwant to deal with so protect yourinvestment both with corals and withfish take it from me getting fishdiseases and not something that you wantto deal with as I tell people the mostWatch at: 45:00 / 45:20expensive fish is a dead fish buyquality animals quarantine them Katecake take care of them they are in ourpossession in our care give them thebest foot forward so you can have athriving system whatever that looks liketo you whether it be all fish all coralor mixture of bothwe're here to be stewards to them let'sWatch at: 45:20 / 45:40take care of them thank you all[Applause][Music]

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  1. Throwing around this word investment is a just a flat out lie and fish tank brain washing look nobody made any money off fragging. Its like a car you put more in then you ever get back the defintion a thing that is worth buying because it may be profitable or useful in the future

  2. Good talk but it would have been nice to hear him go into some treatment/prophylactic methods for common fish disease. The tank transfer method, for example, is the most effective way to ensure that ick does not make it into your display. It also allows you to simultaneously treat for common parasitic infections.

  3. Nice video , which he went into more of the treatments. How long, which ones work better or use a variety treatments. Talk about if DT had a parasites. What to do. How long leave it empty., ect….

  4. I would have replaced Brooklynella with Flukes. I’ve seen more fish with flukes in the past couple of years than Brooklynella. Also, he didn’t talk about medications which I thought was a big miss. Prophylactic procedures would have been valuable info.

  5. With this video do I have to have a separate QT tank for Coral and then one for fish?? Can I use the same tank for coral and fish?? Please help as I have just ordered a QT tank and was planning to start with fish and then add corals. But if I need to start with corals and then add fish I can do that as well. I am planing to have couple clown fish and then maybe one yellow tang. It’s a 46 gallon bow front tank. Please advice as in transitioning from freshwater to saltwater. I have been researching and learning for over two months and just setup the main display tank and waiting for the maturation process and using Red Sea Reef Mature Starter Kit with 40lbs dry rock and 60lbs CaribSea live rock black Hawaiian Sand.

  6. Hi! We started a quarantine two weeks ago with a tang and a foxface. We used copper and follow the treatment as describe in the manual. Today was the last day with a copper dosis and our tang is full of marine ich, but still swimming well and eating well. The foxface doesnt show any signs of ich. We did the mistake (well I guess thats why it dint work…) having filtermedia (some kind of ceramics balls from eheim) in the filter… this probably absorbed too much copper, if what we read is true. What should we do? Start the treatment with copper again? Thanks for your help! Cheers, A.

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