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Watch at: 00:00 / 00:00:20what is up guys today I want to dosomething that I've been meaning to doon stream and we've been getting alittle bit sidetracked on stream buttoday I'm gonna break down the ultimateguide for speedruns in BWL as a roguenow my guild just completed our 23minutes B run which is about two minutesWatch at: 00:20 / 00:40shorter than what we wanted but stillgot world's six horde run and that'ssince been beaten but we're gonna begoing for a lot newer strategies andpumping to get those numbers down a lotthis week and I know a lot of you guysare also usually I release videos everyTuesday but I'm getting this one outearly specifically because we do wantWatch at: 00:40 / 01:00everyone not be ready to go for thefastest times possible of course thisalso is a really really incredible weekfor parsing so if you're gonna guildthat runs the dungeon a little bitslower then you're gonna do reallyreally insanely well as parsing thisweek you can get just some ridiculousridiculous numbers especially if you'reWatch at: 01:00 / 01:20again in a parsing guild but this guy isgonna go over cooldown management all ofthe poles all of your roles where youwant to do pretty much everything andwhere you want to be focused or what youwant to be focused on and a speedrun asa rogue I'm going to use my run as anexample which I actually feel like Iplayed pretty terribly so we're actuallyWatch at: 01:20 / 01:40gonna go over all the mistakes I make aswell and from there of course before weget started as usual make sure to LIKEand subscribe you can follow me herewith the subscription but we justactually reached our first million viewson YouTube a million views on YouTubewhen we started the channel thebeginning of the year I'm extremelyWatch at: 01:40 / 02:00extremely excited on that so leave anote in the comments if you want to seeany sort of specific content I'm gonnado videos this week covering all of thethe weapons the frost weapons for visitus and how they all stack up againsteach other there was a video thatsomebody made before already in thecerium clouds if you see him ever onWatch at: 02:00 / 02:20YouTube makes really good videos and hemade a video going over some of theweapons I want to go over all theweapons for rogues for visit us in willtalk if you're gonna even need them andthen also I will be going overall the best daggers for the rest of thegame and what are the best daggercombinations so of course again makesure to LIKE and subscribe if you wantto hang out with me live on stream myWatch at: 02:20 / 02:40twitch is twitch TV slash sarthe and Ido stream every Monday Tuesday Friday onSaturday right now 7 p.m. PST and fromthere of course that's the intro let'sget right into it okay cool so gettingWatch at: 02:40 / 03:00right into the video breaking thingsdownI skipped past the Razer gore ads phasebecause there's literally pretty muchnothing you can do to make that fasterits it's pretty much like a static phaseit's kind of like Neph phase one wherethe only thing you're doing to min maxper se is just not using the slice andWatch at: 03:00 / 03:20ice as often as you usually wouldbecause it's just kind of gonna bewasted you're just trying to optimize onyour energy usage but in any sort ofspeedrun or any sort of good guildyou're killing these mobs these trashmobs so fast that there's no issues herewhatsoever there's two separate thingsthat as a rogue you want to do you doWatch at: 03:20 / 03:40have an exposed armor rogue in yourguild especially if you're running aspeedrun or a parse run now you'reabsolutely running an exposed armorrogue so the very last time that thetank or whoever is controlling the bossit's usually right it's your main tankthe last time that the boss drops andbecomes targetable you're exposed armoroak is dumping into that boss razor GoreWatch at: 03:40 / 04:00to make sure that he has as many commapoints as as he can and within the timeof the person actually just recon tryingthe orb is clicking it again you usuallycan get four or even five combo pointsup on the boss then you need to makesure you never de tar get razor Gore soyou don't lose your combo points so thatthe second you actually start the fightWatch at: 04:00 / 04:20for razor Gore you get up and exposearmored warriors can also get centers upearly on speed runs but you're not tooworried about that because you'regetting expose armor up instantly otherrogues you could I guess it would becheesy to do and it would be a waste tooverall raid GPS to get a couple combopoints on razors we're at that time alsoso that you can just get a early sliceWatch at: 04:20 / 04:40and dice but usually especially ifyou're in a parse run you triedthey slice and dice up beforehand in myrun itself actually none of the DragonKings were spawning right before razorbore was gonna be targetable so I didn'tgo for getting another slice up Iactually just pooled energy so I had maxenergy you can also see that on thisWatch at: 04:40 / 05:00fight I will use my FAP so that's mypotion cooldown all warriors are usingtheir PvP trinket on this fight to getout of the stun the only reason why Iand like other rogues could use fats youcould use a a speed potion after veiland that's why you would want to saveWatch at: 05:00 / 05:20your potion CD but I have sprint I havethe skull of impending doom I haverocket boots and I have the trinket thespeed trinket so I'm not too worriedabout that so I use FAP and then I amgonna use every single cooldown soyou're just pumping into this boss asfast as you can as usual I GiustiWatch at: 05:20 / 05:40already there also I did 2 kbps on thisboss you only need to get one slice anddice up I did 2 kbps on it and thenyou're you're moving I use sprint herewhich was a huge mistake always saveyour sprint here there's no point in youas the road being the person that rushesin to this boss the next thing I do wantWatch at: 05:40 / 06:00to know is I used blade flurry thereguys and most of the time in a fasterrun you're not using blade flurry you'resaving it for Vail but you need in aspeedrun you want you to have bladeflurry up for the mobs right after Vaileven though you're only attacking themfor a little bit because you're prettymuch running right by them here I alsoWatch at: 06:00 / 06:20do change off of thunderfury to around2000 offhand because it's slightlybetter and of course you put on yoursand alaric hero charm or hero medallionif you are horde if your alliance you'llbe putting on your venomous totemtrinket for this fight in speedruns mostof the time you do see the meleestanding on the same side as the castersbut technically it doesn't really matterWatch at: 06:20 / 06:40you could go on to the other side wherethe casters are and what you would dothen is just run up the the other sidelike you don't need to run up this sideand then the other thing I do here inthis speedrun because it was this week Iused my cinder bracers so that was nicebut Zen Laura hero medallionI got a two-point slice nice which isWatch at: 06:40 / 07:00pretty much gonna last you the wholetime and then a normal rotation for allrogues that are geared now is literallyyou're just back stabbing hoping youhave good RNG but you don't even we hadsome roguesup pretty high but you can see ourwarrior wampie got number one on theserver he did like 1.5 kbps overall inbosses here I change on to a instead ofWatch at: 07:00 / 07:20going on to a speed trinket I use myswiftness of zanza which I should haveused one earlier because I'm not usingmy score pot cash a tilt earlier and wedid lose someone there which I hadn'tnoticed I use or I go to use bladeflurry which if you're moving sloweryou'll have blade flurry up I actuallydidn't have blade forged up so I justWatch at: 07:20 / 07:40move past it we blind this mark this moband instantly move forward so yourrogues you want your rogues to be as farahead as possible in a speed runningbecause the biggest time waster in anentire speed run is going to be most ofthe time the suppression room and mostspeed runs do run up this left side soWatch at: 07:40 / 08:00we wait till we drop combat ace pullsour hunter pulls the first hatcher agood for the suppression room as a rogueis to just keep moving and move in likean order and call it out if you getknocked out of self but mark yourselvesand then move in the same order so he'llbe in front of me and then I'll beWatch at: 08:00 / 08:20behind getting the next one I'll callfor him if he's in front of me to justmove forward and I'll get these onesalso you do want to get this specificone right here if you're moving up tothe left side and you're not a growingall the top which now people are doingso that they can do the early brood lordpull with their burning adrenaline whichis awesome you do want to make sure youget this suppression device right hereWatch at: 08:20 / 08:40the main reason is because the usual wayof walking here should just be astraight path but people have a tendencyto just walk to the very left side ofthe suppression devices but you'llnotice that this suppression device thesecond one is slightly more to the rightso if you're directly on the left sideWatch at: 08:40 / 09:00of this suppression device you'reactually getting suppressed here so youdon't want that to happen obviously so Imake the call for someone else to moveaway from this one I get thisI was a little scared here that I wasgonna aggro on the wealth I didn't usemy distract which I could have I calledfor the hunter not to pull these guysuntil I was out of the way then he doesWatch at: 09:00 / 09:20I just move forward and let someone aroad behind me make a call out to go getthat one perfectI should have marked myself as well Ialso make the call for this rogue thatwas marked already as the triangle toget that one this one is gonna come upbecause nobody got it and it went downso I'm just keeping an eye on it andtrying to call out for my for my rogueWatch at: 09:20 / 09:40team so that's like a big thing so I seehim going for it I just can move forwardin a speedrun what you want is to haveas many devices down as possible just soyou can just blast forward now the newstrategy for brood Lord is right here torun up here on the left and have a rogueWatch at: 09:40 / 10:00your hemo rogue or your expose armor ohthe hemo is you get improved stealthspeed which is really really nice to beable to down all of the suppressiondevices on the way to pick up brood Lordand then you have prepped because youcan sprint away from brood Lauren and ifsomething goes wrong you can vanish prepvanish prep sprint whip away from broodLord and pull it right here to yourWatch at: 10:00 / 10:20group so we did agro the top and then wejust started moving forward anywayswe're doing the old strategy because thethe one that onslaught and progress madepopular this week we didn't even try ityeah it was it just hadn't even occurredto us but it was a great great strategyanother thing that's very importantWatch at: 10:20 / 10:40you only need to kill seven of thehatcheries so in an optimal speedrun youcan actually just distract some of thehatcheries as your group runs by them mygroup we do kill all of the hatcheries Ibelieve so it's it's kind of a waste andwe get all of these we're keeping movingand I just decide because just forsafety purposes I have the time I shouldWatch at: 10:40 / 11:00get this one next I am gonna probablymake the call and you should too is youdon't need to be in stealth anymore likeyou're not doing anything to help yourguild in stealth anymore so you couldhelp and kill some of the dragon linksso I just dropped self get into positionI walked too far over to the left thereand got suppressed by this device hugeWatch at: 11:00 / 11:20mistakenumber one and then I'm gonnaknocked back I think right after usingif I use blade flurry oh I did I resistthe knock back so then it's just anormal rotation you can use blade flirthere but it's gonna be actually moreuseful on the pole right after this Ihave my Rena talk he's on so it's usefulWatch at: 11:20 / 11:40to use your ran talkies because it's awaste just having it on and not using itso every good rogue should after thisswitcher trinket because you want tohave the best trinkets ever like at alltimes and if you drop combat this poleyou just need to nade it's easy some ofthe groups sorry for getting distractedsome of the groups do double polls hereWatch at: 11:40 / 12:00of the goblin packs we just do thesingular goblin pack you just need toNate and blow up the goblin pack andthen you either see if you have goodfire ma padding or not where you go upand you go to kill this group this iswhy I saved blade flurry this group isso important and in an ideal situationwe would have ran and met up with thisWatch at: 12:00 / 12:20group it actually was a bad call for usto wait for this group to come back tous we do use fats and your focus on thisgroup should be the worm guard so thatyou can then go and meet fire MA withthese overseers up and it's not an issuewhatsoever cuz you're not gonna haveyour tanks being spun so we could haveWatch at: 12:20 / 12:40been padding this whole time forwardalthough we did have spinners as ourtanks and our main tank that was takingthis wasn't a very awkward position forthat so we should have focused the wormguard and in any speedrun you shouldfocus the worm guard so you can moveforward and then you just go and fightWatch at: 12:40 / 13:00fire ma I savedblade flurry there which I shouldn'thave that was actually a mistake to saveblade flurry instead of using it onthose that poll it is very very veryuseful on fire MA you do want to useevery cooldown you have on fire MA andagain like I mentioned I didn't changemy trinket but you're gonna want tochange your trinket so it'd be nice toWatch at: 13:00 / 13:20have Reyna takis up for fire mocks it'smore important of a fight than broodlord so moving into the suppression roomI would if you were doing an optimalstrategy switch to Rena takis off towhatever your other trinket is for broodLord and then right after you down broodLord instantly puttakis on because you're probably gonnadrop combat for like a split secondWatch at: 13:20 / 13:40that's it now as we move in you aregonna have assignment right as a rogueyou'll usually have assignments andyou're gonna need all of these guys butyou'll usually have assignments I gotkind of scared there because I walkeddirectly into all the Goblin packs butyour assignments are gonna be to eitherbe on a warlock or to be on aWatch at: 13:40 / 14:00Spellbinder and you do not want theSpellbinders to cast their flame strikethat is just always bad so in that firstgroup my assignment is the square andthere was like there's not that extraspell brant spell binder in that firstgroup if you're pulling these solo ifWatch at: 14:00 / 14:20you're single pulling these whichanother thing I do should mention isthat calamity actually brought up thestrategy that you don't even pull thisgroup right here this one that we'reattacking right now you don't pull itbecause you actually pull it into Neffsroom like you do with the overseers atthe end or the worm guards at the endand this was a huge play that saves likeWatch at: 14:20 / 14:4030 seconds to a minute maybe where youcan just move on now there's a square soI have my nate up again you do want torotate needs between these poles ifyou're pulling them like we are I needand then I get up on the square and nowmy job is pretty much to kick the squareWatch at: 14:40 / 15:00the idea here is to minimize overallraid damage because if your guilt isn'tspamming flasks of distilled wisdom likemana management is is extremelyextremely important for your healerscalamity did a 19-minute run 19 almost20 minute run without spamming any anyWatch at: 15:00 / 15:20flash to distilled wisdom so they didthat really really well the better stratis of course to use the flask it's justway way you have infinite mana it's waybetter but it's just not really a viablestrap for a lot of guilds and on a lotof servers like my server flasks areextremely expensive still next this isWatch at: 15:20 / 15:40pretty much the same thing these polesare very easy you instantly move intothe room guards and this is the polewheretwo things are happening you're fappingyou are using three things you'refapping you're gonna use your masterworktarget dummy and progress and AllianceWatch at: 15:40 / 16:00kills can do this also other Alliancekills the progress does instead of usingmassive target dummies they they rotateAoE taunts on their tanks and Bop thatperson so Botham AoE taunt which isdoable also with with lips it would be Idon't know if you can start spinning ifyour lipped though so for Horde ideallyWatch at: 16:00 / 16:19if you want to cleave these down andthis is where I save blade for a foragain if you want to cleave these downyou do want to use your target thatmeans here the masterwork target dummiesare amazing so you cleave these down asfast as you can everyone's blind them upyou can see that a lot of these are justtargeting the masterwork target dummiesagain and we didn't have any spinnersWatch at: 16:19 / 16:40here and a little note is later you'llsee we should have done two separatethings in Neffs room I didn't use Renatakis on that which I probably shouldhave and then swapped trinkets so I lookto change because that trash pack you doWatch at: 16:40 / 17:00want to blow up as fast as you can andso the big thing for speedruns isutilizing all of your cooldowns cooldownmanagement is massive for speedruns youwant to know how many times you can useit what are the best times you can useit so like blade flurry there was likethere's so much cleave on that pullbackWatch at: 17:00 / 17:20there that that is so much moreimportant especially if you're doing asingle like singular Drake's like we didhere and as the Drake is about to dieyou go get the next one in an idealworld you have your person that's gonnago pull the worm guards already uppulling the worm guards and moving theminto position so that he can flaskWatch at: 17:20 / 17:40petrification that is what happens inthe best speedruns and progress does itso that they actually had their personpull the worm guards into chrome agushis room which was a really really goodreally really good strategy here I hadused reddit talkie on the last fight soI swapped on to Hodge I don't swap on aWatch at: 17:40 / 18:00BB because well actually I could havebecausecrit capped but I wasn't because of thehit food so I could have used BB now wemove forward the person that's pullingthe worm guards is a little bit slow forus and I wish we have done this alreadybut that's just kind of how it happensyou move in we have a a rogue pullingWatch at: 18:00 / 18:20these worm guards and he uses obviouslyflask of petrification and you can havea council cancel or a macro bound withvanish to get out of the flask and liveit's still sketchy a bit but that'susually the play next cro Magus kromaggis a fight where you do like to useWatch at: 18:20 / 18:40cooldownsso you'll see I use adrenaline rush andblade flurry because this is one of thelonger fights in here so you do like touse clowns and Neffs room you're gonnahave blade flurry back up anyways Istill have my vanish so I'm gonna vanishthe first breath because I have used allmy cooldowns during this little phase soI'm just gonna vanish the first breathWatch at: 18:40 / 19:00boom vanish it keep attacking the bosseven in speedruns it's still prettyoptimal to vanish the one of the breathson crow mag if your guilt is killingcrow Magus fast enough you're you'reonly gonna have one breath so you neverneed to stop attacking the bossI accidentally moved my sapper macro sowhen he went fire as you can see here IWatch at: 19:00 / 19:20just went for it and then I do LS but weshould have just made the call to killthe boss ignite flesh wasn't gonna killyou even if it was any any other ones weshould have just made the call to killthe boss and move onalthough we should have started kitingback faster instantly put on your cloakWatch at: 19:20 / 19:40because you're not gonna have combatdrop for very long and we should havecutted the boss back to the gate alittle bit faster so that no matter whatit was even if it was time lapse andyour stun for that time you like youmake it into the room as as you can hereis the next scary part like the scariestWatch at: 19:40 / 20:00part for rogues for everyone the threeworm guards entering this room there Ican't stress this enough guys there isno reason whatsoever to not split theseguys you can cleave them down yes youcan use mastertarget dummies yes which is on acool-down because I think when you useWatch at: 20:00 / 20:20your sappers it sets it on a cool downbut stacking these there's no pointwhatsoeverto not just let your tanks get intotheir position with these mobs while therest of your group just kills the normalmeth trash and the reason there isbecause phase one of Neph again isstatic it's a static phase for length soWatch at: 20:20 / 20:40it doesn't save you any time to cleavethose down and burn them and blow themup it does it doesn't save any timewhatsoever you just want to be safe weunfortunately got three bronze oneswhich are three spinning boys we've lostone tank already we're gonna lose a lotof people and this is where we reallylost most of our time we're at fifteenWatch at: 20:40 / 21:00minutes here now we're at nineteenminutes which is still like slowerslower pace but we could reach like atwenty one minute but now we're justeveryone spinning we're all scaredtrying to decide which mobs to attackand not grab aggro and stay at max meleeWatch at: 21:00 / 21:20range so that we don't keep skillingpeople with the spins but there you cansee we've lost one two three four peoplealready and three of those are towertanksthree of those are our big tanks supremedies here - who's one of our biggest dpswarriors so like that's five peoplethat's a lot of damage you're losing andWatch at: 21:20 / 21:40one of those is the one warlock so welost curse of recklessness here - sothis is just the biggest mistake youcould make and actually in calamitiesrun it's crazy and calamities run theystack these up and cleave them downpurely good RNG I mean they might havebeen ready to to out to get out if theypulled like or if they had any spinnyWatch at: 21:40 / 22:00boys but it was purely good RNG theyjust had good RNG where they didn't spinlike I was watching it on stream webroke it down on stream with some guysfrom onslaught and progress and all ofus were just thinking like how why didthey do it was so risky but at the timethey got the world third run but it wasso so risky so don't do that guys don'tWatch at: 22:00 / 22:20do that don't use your cooldowns on thateither there's no real point to useblade flurry there because you wouldmuch rather use blade flurryon meth there's like multiple reasonsbut the real reason is I guess you couldblade flurry there and have it back uppossibly later on Neff but there's notreally a point to to burn those ads soWatch at: 22:20 / 22:40fast there's no use in it at all andthen you kill the ads you're back hereon meth this is where you use yourcooldowns I don't have adrenaline rush Iuse it on chromatic and you shouldn'teither so you probably won't have it upso then you're just pretty much usingWatch at: 22:40 / 23:00blade flurry you're gonna use your renatalkies you're gonna use thistle tee ifit comes back but i doubt it will andactually I think I do get a gentlemanrush back up because of how long ourNeph kill is shadow flames are justunlucky if you get rode call you do wantyour tank to just move faster but thathappens I do get adrenaline rush up yeahWatch at: 23:00 / 23:20it looks like I'm gonna get thistle teaalso but here is just like a normalrotation just say your casual normalrotation and you're trying to do as muchdamage to the boss as you can ideallyfor rogues if you have vanished back upagain you can vanish that fear which Ihave vanished up now so if another fearWatch at: 23:20 / 23:40does go off I will vanish it in a fewseconds the boss is almost dead so Ididn't go for a five point slice and iceI vanished that fear he does do it atthe very end so I just vanished it whicheveryone should do if you have vanishbackup vanish of fear every time it's itsaves you even if you like if you're ahorde you have totems tremor totem andWatch at: 23:40 / 24:00that saves you time but as Alliance ifyou don't have fear ward on yourself upon that fear just vanish it it's there'sno point not to and you're eating awhole fear is such a waste of time has aspeedrun in a robe and that's that'sthat guys that's the cooldowns you wantto use on every boss that's theWatch at: 24:00 / 24:20mentality you won't have for everysingle pull and where you're kind offocused and as well the mistakes thatwere made even in my run in my guild andhow you can do it faster so this is theultimate speed run guide for rogues it'smore of just like a commentary if youWatch at: 24:20 / 24:40have any questions it's definitely letme know in the comments if I forgotanythingin the comments as well my guild didn'tuse speed boots no it's rocket boots andwe should use speed potions also afteran F or after Vale and also you want touse something speedy to get you to thesuppression room from that dragon canWatch at: 24:40 / 25:00pack after veil I do think it is bettertimewise for everyone to move into thatdragon can pack in and kill it rightthere instead of waiting or pulling itearly and trying to l OS it it's kind ofsketchy er because if one worm can oneof the female casters doesn't group upwith everything else it does waste timeand the only thing I think that I missedWatch at: 25:00 / 25:20for you guys is that right after youfinished pretty much fire ma you canactually take off your spirit of or yourswiftness of zanza pot and you can puton your ground score Kakashi becausefrom there you're not really usingmovement speed isn't really the crutchof your run anymore and so doing aWatch at: 25:20 / 25:40slightly more doing slightly more damageis better so for for warriors they canalso use their roids here or there andthere you have it guys thank you guysfor tuning in as always my name isSartheif you like this sort of content pleasedo like and subscribe i we did reach amillion viewers as I said earlier andWatch at: 25:40 / 26:00I'm super super pumped on that so I'mgonna be pumping out as many videos as Ican guys if there's anything I left outor anything you want to see me coverplease let me know in the commentscome join the discord channel the linksin the description where we do a lot ofTheory crafting and set there are alsogonna be even more sub only videoscoming in the next couple weeks andwe're gonna be breaking down a lot ofWatch at: 26:00 / 26:20things for aq very early in thereand lastly as I always have to say itbut if you want to watch me do thesethings live we'll be doing anotherspeedrun this Tuesday 7 p.m. PST itmight be delayed but I don't think sothis time cuz the PTR is not around butif you want to watch me do anything livefeel free to just come over and hang outWatch at: 26:20 / 26:40in the twitch channel twitch TVi do stream every Monday Tuesday Fridayand Saturday 7 p.m. PST let's all have agood time out there good luck in yourspeedruns this week hope everybody getsa new record as well as I hope they allget new records on theparsa's if that's what you're focused onWatch at: 26:40 / 27:00much love to all you boys and girls outthere peace out

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  1. Any idea how Progress rogue retain combo point on BOSS during P1? I tired this method but the combo point will lost after boss get MCed(didn't switch target)

  2. Pre Razor…. BF/AR /Sapper on initial pull of dungeon. Then BF again on CD. BF again pre casting on Razor. Get S&D up on the last add. Do NOT refresh S&D on Razor if you are doing a sub 15 second kill. It's just wasting a global as a BS or SS will do more damage than 10 seconds of having S&D up will.

    ABSOLUTELY DO NOT USE BF ON VAEL! How can u tell peple to do this? It is so much more important to use on trash after Vael. All you need is 2 rogues to leave for suppression room. 4 is overkill. The initial 2 just drop traps and keep going. The rogues with the group are responsible for any repops.

    BF should be used on TRASH. DO NOT SSVE FOR BOSSES.

  3. What % hit do u guys recommend i ve dropped to 13 after getting dagger gloves from mc i ve other hit items that i can replace but my ap will go down a bit… so should i stay with around 12 13 or keep back to 14

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